Wednesday, June 02, 2004

Tony's response on Lebanon

I am posting Tony Badran's response to my previous "Syria Occupying Lebanon" post because he has put careful thought into it and it deserves to be highlighted. For more, see his blog, Across the Bay

In response to Tony's comments, I can only say that I am more skeptical than he about everyone getting along in a Federation. I still think Salibi's, "House of Many Mansions" thesis - that each major sectarian community in Lebanon has its own understanding of history and dreams for the future, is useful. It makes compromise difficult. There is no basic liberal understanding that "truth" in the public arena must be understood with a small "t" rather than a capital "T." The liberalism deficite makes compromise difficult. The rhetoric of a Hizbullah, for example, is uncompromisingly absolutist, even if its political actions suggest a move toward accomodationist policies. I don't believe an unpoliced federalism in Lebanon would work today. The dismissiveness with which Tony talks about Hizbullah and Amal, not to mention so many other leading Lebanese politicians, makes my point. Syria maintains a form of federalism in Lebanon - but of course Tony is right to point out that it abuses its authority and is not a liberal power at heart. All the same, it is not responsible for turning Hizbullah into the electoral powerhouse it has become; in fact, Syria has restrained its electoral power by forcing it to run a combined ticket with Amal in many districts. Syria made this point in the latest round of Lebanese elections by allowing Hizbullah to run on its own, which has brought it greater power. As Michael Young rights in today's Slate,

Damascus saw an opportunity to raise the ante on the United States, which recently imposed sanctions on Syria under congressional legislation known as the Syria Accountability and Lebanese Sovereignty Restoration Act. One of the act's stipulations is that Syria give up support for Hezbollah, which U.S. Deputy Secretary of State Richard Armitage referred to last year as "the A-team of terrorists." So Syria, by allowing the party to score well in the elections, effectively told the Bush administration, "Don't ask us to suppress Hezbollah; the party has strong support and legitimacy in Lebanon."
Syria does not want to kill the goose that lays the golden egg (lebanon), and at the end of the day, the Alawites have a vested interest in "ta'ayyush," the vaunted Lebanese "convivienda" or notion of "live and let live," that has characterized Lebanese inter-confessional affairs for much of the century. After all, the Alawites are potentially the Maronites of Syria.

In Syria the situation is worse than in Lebanon. It is precisely because Syrian society is so deeply illiberal, that I am skeptical about revolution today. Bashar is much more liberal than the society over which he rules. Were he to be removed forcefully, worse would probably replace him. The best thing is to push liberal reforms - a liberal economy, trade, respect for the law, and worry about democratic elections down the line. As Farid Zakaria has written in his article, "The Rise of Illiberal Democracy",
the most useful role that the international community, and most importantly the United States, can play is -- instead of searching for new lands to democratize and new places to hold elections -- to consolidate democracy where it has taken root and to encourage the gradual development of constitutional liberalism across the globe. Democracy without constitutional liberalism is not simply inadequate, but dangerous, bringing with it the erosion of liberty, the abuse of power, ethnic divisions, and even war.
At 9:52 PM June 2, 2004, Tony said...
Well, Dr. Landis, if this was supposed to convince me that you were not too pro-Syrian, it certainly failed! Here's why.

First things first, to clarify the thing about the jails. I realize that the person who said it was Turk, but the place and the fashion with which you quoted it adumbrated that you endorse it as proof for improvements under Bashar. There are further problems with a statement by Turk (which even on the face of it, is clearly a condemnation of Syrian practice as it is!) because he is a internationally known figure, so I wouldn't be surprised if his treatment was different. But how about those Lebanese prisoners (not to mention countless innocent Syrians) who have "disappeared" during the war never to be heard from again, whose mothers were recently sent back packing at the Syrian border when they marched to Syria (you want the Lebanese to voice their concerns well here it was)? That piece I linked which was published in Lebanon's leading daily testifies to that extent. As for Bashar's lifting of the emergency rule (tentative as it is), some might argue that it wouldn't have been possible had it not been for the US war in Iraq and the tremendous heat it generated, and the courage it gave to some opposition groups to voice their demands. Let me just remind you that previous to that, many an editorial appeared in LEBANESE papers, by Syrians and Lebanese alike, (and they still do) demanding a reconsideration of Syrian internal and external (vis - vis Lebanon) affairs.

As for your point about revolution, well it is in fact needed, and I believe you do agree. The only difference is how measured should it be, or to put it differently, of what type should it be, since not all revolutions are military. You say regime-change is not the answer, and you may be right. This is certainly the view of people like Fareed Zakaria in his book on illiberal democracies. Granted, let's assume that Bashar is the best thing for pushing Syria forward. The problem with this view is that it assumes that Bashar is president for life! But if that is the case, then how real are these reforms and changes!? As for the "from within argument" which has been propagated ad nauseam by all the guild of dictators in the region, starting with King-President Mubarak, it is a bankrupt argument. No change happens in isolation, and someone like you who advocates engagement should be the last to argue for it! All change comes from interaction and exchange of ideas and models. Despite the rantings and ravings of Edward Said, it the Napoleonic campaigns into Egypt, and the ensuing contact with Europe, that stimulated what is the only "Renaissance" in the Middle East, whose effects and figures people still quote to this day.

With regard to pressure, none of them would have been effective (indeed they have not been) had it not been for the US action in Iraq, which created a sense of urgency, even as the peoples of the ME were against it, but this type of schizophrenic behavior is not alien to the region. In fact, you yourself mentioned in that paper in the Syria Report that the US is the bad cop to the EU's good cop, that gives leverage to the EU to press on clauses that the Syrians would otherwise not agree to.

Finally, concerning the economic prerequisites, they strike me as slightly materialistic and deterministic. Reading your paper on Islamic education in Syria, I get the feeling that there needs to be a profound change in the conscience collective of the country. The flip side of that argument is to point at Saudi Arabia and other Gulf states, where people enjoy a decent GNP, yet they can hardly be called democratic. But herein lies the dilemma: in your paper you lay out the conundrum where a leader like Bashar has to cater to this pathological culture in order to maintain legitimacy! This is what Mubarak did in Egypt (cf. Geneive Abdo's No God But God book). Your conclusion was that, ironically, it would need a non-minoritarian leader in order to reform the education system in Syria. But if we need to keep Bashar, then that will not happen. Again, this seems more like a vicious circle, just like the old argument that held that "secular" dictators are needed to fend off Islamists. Your paper proves that those "secular" leaders, and the predominant ideology of the region (Arab nationalism) are farthest from secular, and alien to liberalism. So, in complete reversal of your position, I fail to see how you can maintain liberal economies in illiberal cultures and societies.

As for the roots of the SALSA, you go back to Sharon and Israel's ill-conceived and ill-fated 1982 adventure in Lebanon. That is certainly not a good model. But, NO ONE in Lebanon says that it is, including the Christian party, the Lebanese Forces (whom Asad has banned in Lebanon) who were Sharon's allies. Jean Aziz, a high ranking member of that party, has been constantly writing and lecturing on the necessity of rebuilding a contract with the Christians' "sole partner, the Lebanese Muslims," as he called them, and not to re-establish Maronite ascendancy in Lebanon. In any case, this ascendancy has been abolished by the Syrian-sponsored and Syrian-engineered Taif accord. This view of inra-Lebanese politics, and Lebanese-Syrian relations is shared by the most powerful, and most independent, Christian institution in Lebanon, the Maronite Church, led by Cardinal Sfeir. Sfeir opposed the SALSA for its sanctions on Syria, but agreed with one of its aims: Syrian withdrawal from Lebanon, and reconfiguration of Syrian-Lebanese relations. You said the Lebanese never voiced their will on the issue of occupation (the use of quotation marks to qualify this term is beyond me); RUBBISH! Christian groups, students, and political parties have been voicing it constantly, only to be met with imprisonments, beatings, intimidation, silencing, and prosecution by the Syrian-appointed Lebanese puppet government.

As for the remainder of your expose on Lebanon's recent history, it is rather one-sided, and thus seriously flawed, and ignores the Syrian, Egyptian, and Palestinian interventions that led to the breakdown of the intra-communal agreement among the various Lebanese confessional groups. As Farid Khazen convincingly argues in The Breakdown of the State in Lebanon, the breakdown of the system is inextricably linked to the unbearable pressures that were laid on it due to the deadly ideology of Arab nationalism. That pressure made it impossible for groups to do what they used to do best which is COMPROMISE. That is the backbone of consociational democracies like pre-war Lebanon (cf. Arend Lijphart). Yet, the ideology of conformity by force which is Arab nationalism, made it impossible for Christians to negotiate, as it was correctly seen like an abandonment of their identity, as well as the agreed upon compromise on Lebanon's identity (which was never called "Arab" before the Taif accord). It was a time of extreme tension with PLO militias running around the country with talk of a substitute state for the Palestinians etc. You can't negotiate in these conditions. It was too late, the sacrifice had been made without the Lebanese's approval (I'll remind you that Muslim Jordan had no problem decimating the Palestinians and kicking them out from Jordan to Lebanon).

Yet, what is the FIRST clause of the Taif accord? "Lebanon is ARAB in identity and belonging." The funny thing is that you've dealt with this issue in Syria in your paper, but fail to see its repercussions in Lebanon! So Syria has gone completely in favor of the Muslims when it came to the identity of Lebanon. That by extension was a blow to the Maronites. So the re-arranging was not only of the "power-sharing formular" as you put it, but of the entire nature of the country. And then you say that the civil war has not been resolved. Well DUH!! You blame the Lebanese for it, which is partly correct, but you leave out the Syrians' role. If the Syrian solution was to define Lebanon's identity, and if the civil-war was in large measure due to that definition, then how do you expect anything to be resolved under the Syrian solution!? Secondly, the Syrian appointed government, with people like Berri and Jumblat, are warlords from the war! So how can anything be resolved when some of the parties to the war are in power with Syrian tutelage!? Many a Christian militiaman, including a former high ranking Lebanese Forces fighter, came out and apologized for the Muslims. There has been no reciprocity on the Muslims' part (save for a certain Hisham Chehab), but then again what should there be!? They won! Who makes the topic taboo? Syria's cronies, who happen to be the Lebanese government! So your clause on the Muslims coming to terms with Lebanese exceptionalism seems a contradiction in terms after reading your paper on Syrian policies of conformism! If Lebanon is Arab then how is it exceptional?! I'll make a further analogy with your paper on Syrian education and conformism. You made a point in there about the Alawites being so insecure about their identity as to be more Sunni than the Sunnis so to speak. Well, all you have to do now is hear the post-Taif CHRISTIAN leaders speak about Arabism! My God, you'd think they just came fresh from the Arabian desert on camel backs! They're more royal than the king! Gone is even the TALK of a multiculturalism. Jumblat for one has pretty much called it treason! Basem Yamout, the education minister, has banned the word "conquest" from history textbooks when it refers to the Arabs' invasions of the Levant! His logic was, "how can they be invaders if we were already Arab?" Beirut MP Naser Qandil, a particularly annoying Syrian pit bull, has even demanded that the Christians reconsider their relation to the Old Testament, as it is Jewish! A friend of mine from Beirut told me of a conversation he had with a Beirut area Muslim mayor regarding the construction of a new mosque near a large cathedral in Beirut. The mayor reportedly told him that it was "precisely" because it was a large cathedral that they were building the mosque! So, as I have always maintained, the adjacent presence of mosques and churches in Beirut which was always taken as a sign of peaceful coexistence, is and was indeed a rivalry! If there is a church, make sure you build a mosque next to it!

As for the "Auberge des minorites" comment, it is ironic that your paper on Syrian education mentions that Hafiz Asad's father co-signed a letter to the French requesting that the Alawite minority be annexed to Lebanon, indeed "l'auberge des minorites." But you can't have a country of minorities with Arab nationalism! The two are mutually exclusive, and your paper demonstrates that without a doubt. But Asad's legitimacy and survival RELY on this ideology as you argued yourself!

"How does one resolve the great cultural gap between Hizballah teaching Imamism and Khomeinism in its schools and the Christians teaching that Lebanon is an Auberge des minorites, created and protected by Christians."

Some Christians have suggested federalism (which, by the way, is the de facto reality in the Hizbullah areas, and in the Druze area!). But the (revised) pre-war formula of consociational democracy would be more than enough. In fact, the Taif accord postulates less central government and more local autonomy and decentralization (the hallmark of the pre-war system. Think of traditional Republican politics in the US.) Furthermore, Hizballah is not alone, there are other Shiite groups. For instance, the shiite cleric Shamseddine wrote in a book (al-Wasaya) before he died that Lebanon's confessional system should be maintained. That Lebanese exceptionalism should be respected, etc. (all the things you mentioned). But, Hizbullah didn't grow in a vaccum. Who is giving it cover, and backing it in order to use it against Israel? Syria. Who's Nabih Berri's, Shiite Amal's leader, patron? Syria.

So to say that Lebanese officials don't say that Syria is a problem for the internal Lebanese balance is ridiculous as all these officials are appointed by Syria! I don't see how Syria's role in the elections is a case in point of Lebanese passivity!!! As far as I'm concerned it's the opposite!! Furthermore, the Maronite Church issued a strong condemnation of Syria's involvement. I'll remind you that the Syrians interfered to overturn a local election in the Christian dominated Mount Lebanon when its vassal Michel Murr lost it to the opposition. The issue of Syrian interference with elections has been studied by Farid Khazen (it's online I believe if you search for it). The Syrians have been playing sectarian politics in Lebanon as well (not just in Syria!).

But also you completely leave out the issue of Syria's draining of Lebanon's economy. You once hinted that Syria is a force of stability in Lebanon. Like hell it is. It's draining its economy. Its elite thrive on blackmail and illegal trade. Their propping of Hizbullah as an untouchable militia (like the PLO in the 60s and 70s) and using them to pressure Israel. Also, this cover means that Shiites in Hizbullah areas don't pay bills or taxes. That's made up for from the pockets of the Christians of Mount Lebanon. Their dismantling of Labor Unions (see this piece here). Their support of overbearing repression of the (mainly Christian) opposition is hardly a record of stability! If the Muslims perceive that the Syrians' presence there is to their advantage, why would they call for their withdrawal? But this is to Syria's advantage as well, as it is making quite a use of Lebanon! In fact, it's Syria's only regional card, especially after the Iraq war.

The Christians don't call Syria an occupier under their breath. They do it out loud and often. But then they get that same breath beaten out of them by Syria's cronies. In fact, Pro-Syrian Muslims (like the aforementioned Qandil) have made a point of organizing demonstrations to coincide with those anti-occupation marches by Christians. Often, the Muslims come armed.

Yes, the Lebanese bear responsibility, but hearing you one would think the Syrians are puppies and the Lebanese a cold ungrateful pet owner! You talk about change coming from within. Well how is that possible in Lebanon with a foreign occupying power controlling things?

"It seems that the Syrian President understands that political repression and the extreme limitation of the freedom of expression signify a continuation of the isolation of Syria from the Western world of normal nations."

Unfortunately, that's not the policy in Lebanon! But, like I said, if I read your paper properly, his reforms will always be limited, and contingent on Sunni conservatism! The recent move with the Muslim Brotherhood doesn't seem promising if it means more concessions to a more rigid Sunni control of culture and education. You can try to liberalize the economy as much as you want. That's always good as it might force liberalization of society. But there's always the counter point. What if that liberalization attempt gets hamstrung by an illiberal culture? What do you do then, especially if the liberalizer's standing depends on the support of the illiberal?

"Danny's words are still true today. Syria's footprint in Lebanon could be much heavier than it is."

I suppose the Lebanese should be grateful! Sure, go tell that to the staggering number of Christian youths emigrating. They are the best educated and the most liberal and multiculturalist in the region. Almost all trilingual. Ironically, this was your conclusion in the Syrian education paper!

"No one expected Bashar would let Hariri become PM again in 2000, but he did."

He needs his connections with Jacques Chirac and other world investors.

"If the Lebanese really wanted the Syrians out and were willing to unite and fight for an independent Lebanon, there is a good chance Syria would leave."

Yes, I'm sure those 25,000 soldiers are just ornaments! But then again, I thought that revolution was not the way you recommended!

"Bashar is busy rebuilding good relations with all Syria's neighbors and Europe. He would not squander Syria's return to the world community and its economic reintegration into the region in order to repress Lebanon in the case of a concerted revolt by the Lebanese."

The security services crushed a demonstration when Powell visited! You can't get any more public than that!

"Were the Lebanese to stand united against Syria, the world would back them."

Now who's dreaming? You or the neocons!?

"Today, most everyone believes the Lebanese need a Za'im to balance their divided and bickering notables."

You should talk to King Abdullah of Jordan. He'll like that comment. So will Mubarak and Qaddafi. That's a real way forward!

"Most countries fear Lebanon will slip back into civil war, should Syria leave."

That's a self-fulfilling prophecy now isn't it!? If the Syrians prop it up to be that way, of course it will! This is not to say that the Lebanese factions love each other. But the Syrian stalemate of the last 15 years didn't help one bit in that reconciliation process, but rather hurt it.

"That is why they don't insist on it and why the US congress is a lone voice singing SALSA."

Rubbish. All the Christians, save for Syrian cronies, are for their withdrawal. You should hear what the Maronite Church says. As for the unity with Muslims, the Christian opposition group, the Qornet Shehwan Gathering, tried to reach out to Muslims to get them on board in the request to reformat relations with Syria. One Muslim responded, Walid Jumblat (a Druze actually), and then he backed out. Instead, pro-Syrian Muslims formed their own "Gathering" calling for the opposite. But please don't tell me that Syria is a poor passive entity just waiting to hear the Lebanese say the word for them to gracefully pull out, and lose millions of dollars and a strategic asset in the process!

Lastly, while you answered one side of the issue of expatriates (not convincingly, as your analogy is so over the top and not accurate), you completely ignored the other, which is the Syrian pressure to issue Lebanese passports to thousands of non-Lebanese Muslims, and Syrian infiltration of the Lebanese army (through the same process of naturalization of Syrian Muslims).

And for the gentleman who posted the other comment. That argument of Lebanon being a Western invention is so useless. The Lebanese (especially the Christians) have an extremely strong sense of national identity. But beside that, the same argument goes for Syria as well, as before the European powers there were NO nations at all (including Syria). There was only the Ottoman Empire and its districts, period. No Palestine, no Syria, no Jordan... just the Ottoman Empire.

As for keeping Lebanon for protection, there is a piece on it by Michael Young in the Daily Star (dailystar.com.lb). I don't have the link, but you can go and search for "Michael Young" and you'll find it. I'll try getting it for you.

7 Comments:

At 6/02/2004 08:51:00 PM, Blogger Anton Efendi said...

Dear Dr. Landis,

Thanks first of all for indulging me! But let me make myself clear. I never said that I am optimistic about federalism as a solution in Lebanon. In fact, the Maronite Church has officially abandoned that option. I merely said that some Christians have suggested it as a possible solution, and it remains a favorite solution in LF circles (I don't belong to these circles). But, just for the sake of argument, I find somewhat of a contradiction in your response, even if it's slightly qualified. On the one hand, you state that "Syria maintains a form of federalism in Lebanon" yet on the other you maintain that you "don't believe that an unpoliced federalism" would work. So your point is that federalism -- which, as I pointed out and as you admitted is the de facto reality in Lebanon -- would only work if the Syrians are their to keep the Lebanese off each other's throats. I'm not sure I buy that argument, but we'll never know will we!

As for Kamal Salibi's book, I have several problems with it. First, the book was written at a different time. At best, it needs to be revised in light of new realities. Second, even at face value, the book has serious flaws. If you haven't read it yet, do check out Farid el-Khazen's review in the first issue of (the now defunct) The Beirut Review (Spring 1991). The "truth" analogy that you bring up (which was used by Friedman in his From Beirut to Jerusalem best seller) is only partially true. Yes, the Lebanese have disparate views on what Lebanon "is" or should be, despite the homogenizing brush of the Taif accord. But this ignores the center, which, as it always was in Lebanon's history, is the key to political life. Your example of Hizbullah actually proves my point in two ways. First, I'll call your attention that on the Christian side, even the late Bashir Jmayyil, who started off radical, ended up moving towards the center as his presidential campaign progressed. The dichotomy between militiaman Bashir and presidential Bashir is well known. But back to Hizbullah. I don't know why you thought I was being dismissive. Not at all. I was making a point that the Syrians were the patrons of the major Muslim parties. Regardless, your mentioning of Hizbullah's mastery of the sectarian game proves my point, that if you want to get ahead in Lebanon you HAVE to play the game of compromise and alliances. In fact, that game was played all throughout the war (which was the inspiration behind Ziad Rahbani's brilliant play, Film Ameriki Taweel). And the deeper they dive into that game the more compromises they make (leaving alone the inevitable fall of the Khomeinists in Iran who are the ideological backers of Hizbullah). That's on the one hand. On the other, Hizbullah as you said is on the "absolutist" side of the spectrum (maybe not as far out as Tufayli's faction). But then there are its rivals: AMAL, the old notables of the south (the Asaad family who has been trying to make its own alliances to counter Hizbullah), Tufayli's faction in the Beqaa, and the Communist party, to name but a few in key Hizbullah areas (the south, the southern suburbs, and the Beqaa). AMAL was always part of the sectarian game, so is Asaad. The fact that the Syrians had to put their weight behind Hizbullah should tell you that their victories are not secure and people will counter them. There was a lot of talk after the Beqaa elections, especially by the Communists, who were certain that they would beat Hizbullah. The point is, the mosaic is complex, and that's the guarantee for a healthy political life.

Which brings me to my basic point: Lebanon doesn't really need federalism per se. A revised version of the "National Pact" (which could very well have happened had the war been averted) would be enough. The basic tenant of the National Pact was a limit on the central government's reach and more local empowerment. Taif was supposed to maintain that, but with the Syrians' management, the Lebanese experienced centralization on steroids (except for the "priviliged" Hizbullah and Walid Jumblat).

But enough with Lebanon. Let's move back to Syria. The problem in both cases ends up being the same: an illiberal ideology (Arab nationalism) together with an illiberal culture (rigid Orthodox Islam). You still have a few basic questions that you need to answer: 1- how to solve the problem of a hostile illiberal culture with a liberalizing president who needs the approval and legitimacy of an illiberal culture and its illiberal ideology! That is very much a vicious circle that you still have not properly addressed (esp. in light of the Zakaria quote). 2- Wether economic liberalization will indeed lead to cultural reforms on the one hand, and whether this economic liberalization can be maintained. Finally, with regard to the larger ME, this model works only with Syria and perhaps Jordan. But what about the rest? The question is how do you solve the basic problem of dictators being hurdles to reforms due to their unwillingness to give up power. This includes the elite in Syria, and not just in terms of political power, but also in terms of corruption and family control over the economy. This is especially tied to Lebanon and the fortunes that this elite makes from that country, and its patronage of an equally corrupt Lebanese vassal government, both resulting in a crippling economic situation in Lebanon.

In the case of Iraq for instance, it wouldn't have happened in a million years, and that's why the war was necessary in order to provide a context for the things you and Fareed Zakaria advocate. As for the rest, I guess we'll have to invoke the old saying: Patience is a virtue.

PS: I liked the Alawite/Maronite analogy, as a friend of mine in Lebanon (who is a political science student) had once told me the same thing.

PS2: Readers might want to check out this old article by Farid el-Khazen which is pertinent to this discussion.

 
At 6/03/2004 08:11:00 AM, Blogger AbuUthman said...

Yes it was a province within the Ottoman Empire, but before the Ottoman's it was also a seperate Sultanate, it was governed by Yazid who was appointed by Umar bin Khattab then by his brother Muawiyya (who started the Ummayad Dynasty) this occured before the Ottoman Empire.

And one more thing that seems to be ignored and that is you speak on behalf of a minority in Lebanon (maronites) and not the majority who are Muslims.

And it is mainly the Christians who have the identity as Lebanese and not Arabs whilst the Muslims carry the identity of Arab.

 
At 6/03/2004 11:17:00 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Dr. Landis,

I was reading the exchange between you and Tony; it was well balanced and the argumentation was great. That was until I got to your original piece “Is Syria Occupying Lebanon?” Respectfully I take issue with some of its contents.

“The major Lebanese spokesman for the bill in Congress was General Aoun, who represented the Maronite community in Lebanon before he was expelled from the country by the Syrians (with US support) in 1991 at the time of the Gulf war.”

Although I like your assessment of “spokesman” (since he was only a mouthpiece during the whole process) you cannot say that he represented the Maronite community during that era (even though he recently made remarks to Assafir regarding federalism and the cultural diversity of Lebanon that should be recognized institutionally both themes are popular in Maronite circles). In fact during that period (late 80’s) the Maronite community was polarized between the Lebanese Forces Militia and Aoun’s ill-fated government. And since he advocated the centrist Lebanese mentality of the national pact which a lot Muslims subscribed to he can hardly be qualified as the figurehead of the Maronites in Lebanon. In fact a lot of Muslims still saw him in a positive light before he pushed for SALSA. This point is particularly problematic for your subsequent analogy. Aoun is not a symbol for Maronite supremacy in fact he was an active agent in its demise and would fit better under the Lebanese nationalist school of thought which you did not even consider. In fact you amalgamated the Christian nationalist camp with the Lebanese nationalist camp when you mentioned the “Auberge des minorities” to contrast Christian education with Hizballah’s education. The refuge of minorities’ theory was first consolidated and articulated by Michel Chiha which was an active supporter of the constitutional bloc (Khoury, Henry Pharaon etc.) which cannot be considered as a symbol of Christian dominion. That whole school of thought was centrist (cf. with the national bloc and its staunch Christian dogma), it attracted Muslim membership and collaborated with Muslim and Arab nationalist leaders and was in opposition to the Maronite political establishment. This also ties into your comment about how Christians need to come to terms with their Muslim countrymen. Even theories and principles that were considered centrist and nationalist and moderate (such as the refuge for minorities) are deemed to be partisan, extremist, unacceptable and “Christian” now. You made those theories equivalent to hizballah’s absolutism.

“This plan was a tragedy in 1982 and is a farce today. That is why the Lebanese, save for a few hotheads, have all spoken out against the Syrian Accountability Act.”

Come on, do you really think that is why they have spoken out against it? Does it make sense for these same leaders (the ones representing the opposition) to speak out during the world Maronite congress held in the USA and keep their mouth shut in Lebanon. The resolutions of the congress stipulates full military withdrawal and a halt for political intervention in Lebanese affairs (i.e. it mirrors SALSA). Are you also not aware of the maneuvering by the Lebanese judiciary and the prosecutor general who conjure up charges as soon as opposition figures speak out against Syria or its interventions? The list is long from Geagea, to Aoun, to Chamoun to Amine Gemayel all have been publicly threatened through inquires, special investigations and allegations immediately after outbursts against Syria.

“Christians must come to terms with their Muslim countrymen, like it or not.”

Christians have come to terms with their Muslim countrymen by accommodating all of their requests. All points of contention generated by the dualism of Lebanese society such as identity, foreign relations, education, etc. have been dictated by Lebanese Muslims and wholeheartedly accepted by the Christians. And as you showcased for us above even centrist ideas that are inclusive, tolerant and liberal are deemed as “Christian” and therefore negative. So basically you are either an Arab that advocates Israel’s destruction, opposes the west and supports forms of terrorism or you are an “isolationist” “Christian”. Is that what you are saying?

But let me put it in another way. What can the Christians do to come to terms with their Muslim countrymen?

“Christians teaching that Lebanon is an Auberge des minorites, created and protected by Christians (I won't even mention Phoenicians)?”

I am not sure where you are getting your information from but education in “private” “Christian” schools is stipulated by the ministry of education directly. There is no mention of Lebanese particularism, there is little mention of Phoenicia and no talk of a non Arab culture and every history book starts with the year 1517. The curriculum mirrors that of Syrian schools, only with a dash of religious diversity, the only type of diversity allowed under Arab nationalism (and this ties into your chpeal about Maronite president and Maronite members of parliament; what you are basically saying is as long as they are Christian they represent the Christian community). But are you seriously comparing Hizballah’s jihadist education to the “Auberge des minorities” as advocated by some Lebanese nationalists? One is liberal, inclusive, and progressive while the other is …. Well it is Hizballah’s. As you or Tony mentioned it is not only Maronites that are such minorities but we can include the Shiites, the orthodox Christians, the Druze, so that appellation is appropriate (coincidentally all these groups asked for autonomy at one point).

But here is what I really had a problem with: your contention that Syria is protecting the interests of the Christian community in Lebanon by preserving the Maronite presidency and members of parliament etc. Since you refer to Haifa’s exercise routine on LBC I have to assume that you are talking about Christian’s political, cultural, and civil rights versus their religious rights (since religious diversity is supposedly protected under the rubric of Arab nationalism). In other words what needs protection against the Muslim numerical supremacy is a way of life. How is the religious affiliation of the president or members of parliament relevant when the way of life they are protecting is the Muslim Arab one? Christian populist leaders have unanimously maintained that what they defend is not their religion but their culture so it would not matter if all government positions were held by Roman Catholic Saints, as long as they are installed by Syria and as long as they are implementing its projects they do not fulfill the aspirations of the Christian community. So what Syria is doing is palliating the expectation of the community by fulfilling a technicality but they get around that problem by installing people that are culturally and politically Muslim. Jubran Tueni said something very close to that in an editorial a couple of years back when he accused Emille Lahoud of not being a leader for his Maronite community.

 
At 6/20/2004 08:36:00 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Tony Badran is a racist and possibly a Likudnik.

He talks as if the Christians are the natural rulers of Lebanon when, according to most sources the Muslims make up 70% of the population and the Christians make up 30% of the population. The only way that the Christians have the power that they do is because of a 'Jim Crow' electoral system.

Also, 97% of the population are of Arab origin, so how can he claim that Lebanon is not an Arab country.

If Lebanon is to become a true democracy, then it seems to me that the priviledged position of the Christians must be removed by moving to true proportional representation.

The closest analogy I can see is Northen Ireland (the major difference is that the country is split along both ethnic and religious lines British/Protestant v Irish/Catholic rather than Arab/Christian v Arab/Muslim). Although, in the past the British/Protestant hegemony has been preserved by gerrymandering, I cannot see the same happening in the future and nor should be allowed to. Equally, institutionalised gerrymandering should not be allowed in Lebanon (and Iraq).

BTW, Hizbullah had a perfectly legitimate right to drive the Israeli invaders/occupiers out of Lebanon.

 
At 6/29/2004 01:25:00 PM, Blogger MikeNargizian said...

Notable you publish your half witted and truthed propaganda under the name ANONYMOUS....

Let's take for example the numbers of Iranians and Tunisians living in Lebanon as well as from many other countries around the Middle East living in the homes of Christians now living in South America for some unexplicable reason.

And yes we see how well Lebanon has done as an Arabist and Islamist run country since the 1975 Civil War and the PLO coming in.

I'd say from any casual observer its really clear how much better a country on all counts Lebanon is pre 1975 Christian control and post Arabist/Syrian Islamist control.

The Arab Nationalists and Islamists have a phenomenal record of running countries into the ground so who's to argue?

 
At 11/18/2004 12:43:00 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

I do not care for the anonymity of this post. It's just that I don't feel like going throug the registration process. I am amazed at how ignorant people can be. The post-75 events in Lebanon occured because of INTERNATIONAL interference in Lebanon's business. Pre-75 Lebanon was not ruled/controlled by christians..It was neither ruled/controlled by /Muslims - It is run by the Lebanese people, regardless of their religion! And on the post-75 Lebanon comment; I would like to point out that I currently live in Lebanon and it is one of the most amazing countries I have ever seen (and trust me, I HAVE been around..) All countries have problems, and Lebanon is not an exception.

Moreover, Lebanon is an Arab country. Even though the larger part of the Lebanese population is muslim, that does not warrant it being an Arab country. It is an Arab country because of our culture, our civilization, our language, our history. If you people out there cannot make the distinction between Arab and Muslim, then you probably shouldn't be reading this.

P.S.: I am against the Syrian occupation of Lebanese terrotiries. But what I am more strongly against, is the Israeli occupation of Lebanese, Syrian, and PALESTINIAN territory!!

P.P.S.: People who claim that they are Lebanese but not Arabs, or Lebanese but support Israel in any form do not deserve to live in this country. SHAME ON YOU!!

 
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