Wednesday, June 14, 2006

A Comparison Between The Christians Of Syria And Lebanon, By EHSANI2

A comparison Between The Christians of Syria and Lebanon

By EHSANI2,

June 14, 2006

Rather than sharing common goals like most other minorities in the region, Syrian and Lebanese Christians seem to be at odds with each other when it comes to assessing their political survival. Nowhere is this more apparent than the way each community supports or condemns the current regime in Damascus.

The difference in the two communities stems from the following fact:

While the Lebanese Christians have traditionally been politically engaged, Syrian Christians in contrast have chosen to stay on the fringes of their country’ political life. While the former group has resisted the various regional pressures to weaken their political influence, the latter has made the choice to play it safe and stay out of politics. While the former has largely called for outside help to ensure its survival, Syrian Christians have aligned their fortunes with the survival of their regime instead.

Let me now elaborate

Syrian Christians seem to overwhelmingly believe that in spite of all of their regime’s shortfalls, the alternative would most likely be far worse. More specifically, they seem convinced that a more Islamist leaning group will follow the downfall of this regime, an event that will inevitably end up destroying their coveted way of life. For the record, the size of this community has steadily fallen as a percentage of the total population. From a high of 25%, this percentage is estimated to have fallen to as low as 10%.

It is widely believed that the Syrian Sunni community is divided along lines of income and religious fervor. The Sunnis who have aligned their business interests to those of the regime may not be too keen to lose their immense advantages. They may, therefore, be inclined to support the status quo. But, this group does not represent the majority. The more likely profile of a Sunni Syrian is one that dreams of a day when one of their own is finally in charge. We are frequently told that Syrians are not very religious. A change in the regime, therefore, is unlikely to cause a major shift in the seemingly secular nature of this society.

It is my belief that the Syrian Christians do not share this view. Instead, they are more inclined to view their Sunni fellow countrymen as more devout and religious than the consensus opinion. Given the choice, the Sunni community is believed to be willing to accept being governed by a religious establishment. Left to their wishes, therefore, Syria’s majority will most likely accept a sharper tilt in the direction of religioun were this regime to fall. When this happens, Syria’s Christians fear that they will lose a list of social privileges that they currently hold so dear. This list includes the right to worship, dress, drink and party as they wish. It also includes of course internal law and order.

While the above list is important, political aspirations and active engagement in the country’s political future is critically missing from this list. Since the French departed the country after independence, Syrian Christians have suffered a steady loss in political activism. When their own country’s constitution stated that the President of Syria must be a Muslim, they quietly accepted being excluded from ever participating as equals. In effect, they failed to complain or resist being third class citizens in their own country. Presumably, they felt that it was best to carry on doing what they have done for decades-stay on the sidelines and play it safe. So long as they could go to church, avoid wearing a veil, drink their Scotch and dine outdoors, life was perfectly acceptable.

Given this regime’s non-Islamist tendencies, a soft marriage of convenience was born between the Alawi regime and the country’s Christian minority. Stated differently, the Christian community outsourced its own security and the protection of its way of life to this Alawi regime. Without any political or military aspirations that would act as a future threat, the regime was more than happy to implicitly agree to protect this less than powerful partner.

Lebanese Christians in contrast have worked hard to protect the huge privileges that they were afforded after independence. Camille Chamoun’s epic encounter with the powerful Nasser in 1958 was a case in point. With the help of American marines, he was able to defeat the Pan Arabists that were backed by Nasser. Since then, Lebanon’s history has been rife with examples where that country’s Christian community had to endure immense regional pressures to weaken its grip on power. While the Taef accords succeeded in taking away a significant number these privileges, the fact remains that the community has been steadfast in its resistance to the forces that are heavily stacked against it. This political activism stands in direct contrast with the apolitical Christians of Syria. It is worth reiterating that the Christians of Lebanon would not have been able to survive and maintain their influence had they not accepted the help of foreigners. This has included the French, Americans and even the state of Israel. Given the Syrian Christian community’s more Pan Arabist leanings, such foreign adventures by the Lebanese Christians have acted as a major contentious point between the two communities.

In conclusion, while the Syrian Christians have supported this regime for a list of valid reasons, the fact remains that they have effectively aligned their long-term survival to the survival of the regime itself. This is a highly dangerous and shortsighted strategy.

Were the Damascus regime to fall, the country’s Christian community will undoubtedly suffer immensely. Such fears explain the significant increase in the number of people that have decided to immigrate to the west when given the opportunity. Anyone with the economic means to do so has opted to deliver their new babies in countries like Canada or the U.S in the hope of gaining an alternative “safe” passport. This trend has been in force for decades and is likely to continue. The plight of Iraqi Christians since the fall of Saddam has reinforced such fears. Christian friends are often heard saying, “We have no future here. This country is not ours in the future”. By outsourcing their own security and the protection of their lifestyle to the regime rather than being politically active themselves, this country’s Christians may believe that they have been well served thus far. Their future prospects, however, are highly uncertain. Were the regime to fall, some will choose to stay and accept their different lifestyles. Others may decide to leave. One highly probable destination of course will be Lebanon. Odds are that the Christians of this country will survive longer in this region. Decades of political engagement, personal sacrifice, friendlier constitution, and alliances with outside forces may end up attracting those fleeing Christians next door.

34 Comments:

At 6/14/2006 11:15:54 PM, George Ajjan said...

Ehsani, you raise some interesting points but neither of these communities are the monoliths you present them to be.

 
At 6/14/2006 11:28:09 PM, Enlightened One said...

Some nice points ehsani, but the two communities are entirely different, the lebanese christians are catholic leaning franco phones, who more than often deny their ancient communal roots in syria, while claiming direct descent from the phonecians ( who curiously were assyrian colonists loool). Interestingly most Syrian Christians i have met are orthodox.

Whatever the future holds the minorities in Syria should support democracy, their allegiance to a dying decaying leftist ideology holds no credence in this modern age. However apolitical they might be their voices as a comunnity need, to be heard to share in any future stake they wish to hold in Syrias political future.

 
At 6/15/2006 02:02:34 AM, SimoHurtta said...

Isn’t Ehsani2 there contradiction if you in one post wish that Muslims should stay “liberal and secular” and then in a second you demand Syrian Christian to organize them politically? Well if the Christians take out their “cross flag”, would it make the majority religions “members” more tolerate and liberal? I fear the effect would be the opposite.

“Stated differently, the Christian community outsourced its own security and the protection of its way of life to this Alawi regime.” Well, well couldn’t we then equally say that the Jews, Muslims, Hindus etc in USA and West Europe have outsourced their security and protection of their way of life to Christian led governments. Do you Ehsani2 indirectly suggest that each religious group should have an own militia to protect their “long-term survival” and way of life? Also a western democracy can change to a dictatorship (Germany, Greece, Chile, etc).

There have been Jews and Christians in Middle East living among the Muslim majority for thousands of years. Sometimes under regimes that make the present dictatorships seem as “enlightened”. Ehsani2 playing with religion cards and hinting of an exodus of millions of people, because a “coming” religious abuse (without a shred of evidence), is dangerous.

Your Iraq analogy is only valid if Christian nations (which USA and Great Britain de facto are) invade Syria. In Iraq much of the anger against the local Christians is obviously caused by the occupation not so much by a home grown religious “racism”. In western countries now the Muslim citizens are widely considered to be a “fifth colony”, it is obvious that some Muslims have a same kind of opinion in their countries about some of their Christians (or are at least manipulated to believe it).

George Bush mentions the word God almost as often as Mahmoud Ahmadinejad and doesn’t hide his crusader attitude or his religious views. It is undoubtedly a fact that the US / Israeli politics gives now the best breeding ground for radical Islam. In a way it is “amusing” to watch how extreme Christians and Jews demand Muslims not to be extreme. Certainly a less aggressive and understanding policy would be a better option to fight against the influence of fast growing radical Islam and terrorism than the present strategy.

PS.
Islamists Call for Referendum on Egypt-Israel Peace

One gets what one orders…

 
At 6/15/2006 03:54:59 AM, Mak01 said...

Some interesting points made by Eshani2 although a little demeaning to the Syrian Christian population.

It's almost a case example for the ongoing debate of Nature Vs Nurture.

The underlying question here is whether Syrian Christians are inherently 'different' than Lebanese Christians.

Juxtaposing the 2 communities and drawing such conclusions borders on irrelevance. Whilst one has been a majority for the good part of 50 years blessed with an environment that encourages entrepreneurship, flair and political participation (not to mention the protection of the West), the other has been anything but.

Active political participation is great in theory but with the percentage of Syrians at approximately 10% what benefits can they realistically hope to achieve (Cost vs Benefit) ?

 
At 6/15/2006 09:23:06 AM, t_desco said...

'Explosive' news:

"Investigations with Lebanese Mossad agent, Mahmoud Rafea continued, and revealed that Rafea had since the Spring of 2005, delivered bombs in black suitcases, to several locations in Beirut, its eastern suburbs, Mount Lebanon and the South. Meanwhile, security forces are still after Palestinian Mossad agent, Hussein Khattab, who is now suspected of leading a Mossad network of his own. ...

After admitting committing serious acts of sabotage and assassinations, the last of which was the killing of Islamic Jihad official Mahmoud Majzoub and his brother Nidal in Sidon, Lebanese Mossad agent, Mahmoud Rafea admitted he also played a logistical role in some other operations.

Rafea admitted he had delivered, since the Spring of 2005, bombs in black suitcases to different locations, in eastern Beirut, Mount Lebanon, South Lebanon. Security Forces however did not yet determine how these bombs were used."
Al-Manar

 
At 6/15/2006 10:14:50 AM, Nafdik said...

Ehsani,

Great post that puts in the open a situation that is often undiscussed.

I would generalize your argument from the Christians to all minorities in Syria and even Iraq.

I beleive that a major force behind the Arabist movement in general and the Baath movement in particular is the fear of political Islam.

After being ruled for centuries by a system of mulla, our region has not developed a national identity in the central European sense. It remained a mosaic of tribal and sectarian formations that acted like a state within the larger state.

In particular the small intermarriage between different sects and tribes reduced social cohesion.

Compare this to Europe where any person of a different sect than the king was basically killed or expelled.

This relative tolerence of the Muslim empire created the situation we are in today.

Once the Ottoman empire fell, the states that where created did not have a clear national identity. A citizen was left wondering am I:

- Arab
- Muslim
- Syrian
- Greater Syrian

In fact he was none of the above, the personal history of the region made his primal allegiance to a very small group where he had 95% intermarriage possibilities.

Of course in Syria and Iraq this created a problem as the Sunnis and Shia respectively had a large group that they call their own. The rest was fragmented. In Syria intermarriage was rare even between orthodox and catholics christians, in Iraq it is until today rare between Aran and Kurdish Sunnis.

The fear of this domination by a majority and the need for inclusion for all the small minorities pushed many of their young members to espouse the Arabist cause, which was seen as unifier that can make a Syrian Christian, Allawi, Ismaili, or an Iraqi Sunni, a full member of the new society.

They were joined as well by leftists, and others who feared a religious ideology to dominate their life.

It is not a coincidence that Syria and Iraq were ruled by their minorities.

Another amusing observation that I find when talking to secular Syrians of Christian backgrounds is that their allegiance is still with other Christians, even if they are total non-beleivers. The reason for that is that the true glue is not religion but a tribal upbringing that reigns in our region. The same can be seen in Iraq where Kurdish and Arab Sunnis are totally seperate groups.

One area where I disagree with you is that you consider that the Syrian Christians took a passive role in politics. They were part of the formative forces of Arab (and Greater Syria) nationalism, and the Baath movement in particular. And they continue to be staunch nationalists not as a passive role but as a real beleif that it is through nationalism that they can forge a society in which they will have a role.

 
At 6/15/2006 11:14:37 AM, Alex said...

Ehsani,

very interesting topic and a good post.

The only thing i will add to Nafdik's comments (he made many of the comments I was planning to add), is to put the presidency issue in perspective: A christian should be allowed by the constitution to become a president. But the reasons CHristians fon't really care, is that it still won't kmake a difference in reality, in the US, a woman can be president (women are 50% not like Syria's christians at 10%) yet we have not seen any successful campaign by a woman... Adn I don't think Hillary will make it either.

 
At 6/15/2006 11:18:16 AM, Nafdik said...

Wow,

Alex finally we agree on something.

Now if you just drop your give-bashar-another-decade-to-really-start-doing-reforms-he-is a-good-guy-and-his-wife-worked-in-global-consulting-firm doctrine we will be in total accord :)

 
At 6/15/2006 11:30:52 AM, Alex said...

Nafdik, I am sure we agree on much more than what you think.

As for the part we disagree on, just let me find the proper way to describe it and you might be a bit more receptive.

But I won't discuss it today, don't worry.

:)

 
At 6/15/2006 02:42:48 PM, t_desco said...

OMG!

"In a bizarre twist, Hussein Khattab, a Palestinian member of the spy ring, who is still at large, is the brother of Sheikh Jamal Khattab, an Islamic cleric who has allegedly recruited Arab fighters for al-Qaeda in Iraq."
The Times

Suddenly we do have a possible link to Jund al-Sham and the radical Salafi groups in Ain al-Hilweh.

Wow. Just wow.

 
At 6/15/2006 03:23:26 PM, Vox Populi - Agent Provocateur said...

"More specifically, they seem convinced that a more Islamist leaning group will follow the downfall of this regime,"

One can only wonder why. That said, 300 000 - 500 000 Syrian Christian, Druze, and Shias coming to Lebanon would allow us to naturalize the Sunni Palestinian refugees without upseting the sectarian balance. Unfortunately Lebanon is not as attractive for regional refugees as it used to be before the brotherly war.

 
At 6/15/2006 03:27:44 PM, Vox Populi - Agent Provocateur said...

"Given the choice, the Sunni community is believed to be willing to accept being governed by a religious establishment."

Personally, I don't believe that the majority of the Sunnis would support discrimination or act of violence against the religious minorities. But whether quietist Muslims are a majority or not, they have proved many times in the past, in Syria and elsewhere, that they are unwilling or uncapable of controlling the most violent elements in their community.

 
At 6/15/2006 05:39:47 PM, Philip I said...

From Philip I (my blog viarecta.blogspot.com is under construction)

Ehsani2's analysis is perceptive but, I am afraid the post is fundamentally unacceptable to me. Can't you see that all this talk about Christians and Muslims is divisive and pointless? Surely it is better to campaign for a secular and democratic future, with one man one vote, regardless of creed or ethnicity than to serve the regime with this kind of scare mongering.

We all know and understand the realities of our nation and the role of religion in accentuating cultural differences and tribal allegiances (Mao was right: al deen afyon al shou'ob!).

Sure, Syria could end up being ruled by Islamists when the Assad clan are ousted. So what? If the political system is truly democratic and fair, people will eventually reject extremism through the ballot box. Our energies should be focused on uniting Syrians at home and abroad around the simple objectives of democracy and justice. How do we do that? We translate these abstract notions into meaningful and fairly specific reform programmes. If we cannot at least agree the broad principles then we have no hope in hell of changing the status quo.

 
At 6/15/2006 08:50:43 PM, Fares said...

Ehsani,

Some great analysis about Christians in Syria and Lebanon.

However the comparisons are not needed, circumstances in both countries are much different, even the Druze or Sunnis in both countries think different from each other. Historical, social and demographical conditions are different. Christians in Lebanon are a major power bloc while in Syria all they can hope if for a friendly system that treat them as equal.

I agree with a lot of the comments as well. I believe that Syria is more united then people think. Syrian muslims never question the Syrianity and the arabism of the Christians. I think the people are all aftraid of the region's decline and going backward instead of forward, also regime attempts to further its isolation from the west is hurting its liberalism. But as Abu Kareem expressed on my blog:
"To me, Syria is nothing without its diversity in all its forms. It is integral to Syria’s rich history and its culture."

On another note, I just wrote another post about the detention of Michel Kilo and showing all the sympaty he got from all fellow bloggers. We need to keep this issue alive regardless of Syria's future.

Syrians Show Compassion while the Regime Show Ugly Face

 
At 6/15/2006 09:01:00 PM, EHSANI2 said...

It seems that most people here do not feel that using the constitution to exclude the country’s Christians from the highest office in the land is a relevant or important issue.

Alex, for example, compared it to women running for the Presidency in the U.S. Since they are unlikely to win, what is the big deal he wonders.

The difference is, however that women in the U.S. “can” run for the office. Whether they win or not is another matter. Qualified Christians in Syria “cannot” run because they happen to be born in a family with the wrong religion. Since they are unlikely to win, why exclude them in the first place? I am yet to find a good answer to this question.

Nafdik, as usual made a number of good observations. Though I would agree that Christians did participate in the intellectual phase of the Baath party inception, practical government participation has been minimal. Fares Khoury was the country’s Christian Prime Minister who negotiated the country’s independence from France. Such examples of high government positions have suffered a steady decline since.

Fares and Philip I,

Please answer my question with regards to the constitution and its exclusion. If all you say is true, why does that clause exist? If all Syrians are treated equal, why is a particular religious group barred from leading the country?

 
At 6/15/2006 09:16:59 PM, George Ajjan said...

Ehsani,

Before 1994, Argentina's Constitution, like Syria's, stated that the President must belong to the faith of the majority. In the case of Argentina, this of course is Roman Catholicism.

Everyone knows that Argentina's flamboyant President of the 1990s, Carlos Menem, was proudly of Syrian origin and he was raised Muslim. But he converted to Catholicism to suit his political aspirations.

Rumor has it that "Carlito" may be seeking a comeback next year...

 
At 6/15/2006 09:22:02 PM, norman said...

Syria,s christian do not mind the present status in Syria because they saw that Hafez Asad saved the christian in Lebanon in 1976 and they saw what the Palestenian of Arafat and Jumblat were trying to do to the christians and for that they they felt safe in Syria ,they saw that the US and France left the christian to deffend themselves at that time ,they looked at what happened in Iran at the end of the Shah and how many groups encluding comunists and many other minorities joined to oust the regime only to lose power and influance to the Mullas so they know that the replacement of the regime if it comes will be an islamist regime and that is not a moslem state ,that is much more restrictiv on christians then they saw what happens with a democracy when the people vote for their religous affiliation without thinking of a platform or a plan that the candidate are calling for in Iraq and do not misunderstand me the problem is never Islam as the christians lived in Syria for senturies ,it is how present day moslem understand Islam and their need to deffend it,lastly they saw what happened to the christian of Lebanon and how the US helped and is still helping Harreri to controle the christian desision ,only Aon is standing in the way and for that Harreri and company will do everything they can to keep him out,The US did not help the christian of Lebanon if the wanted they would have pushed Aon as president but their plan is to setle the Palestenian and that is somthing Aon will not tolerate ,for all the above reasons Syria,s christians are more arab nationalist than anybody actualy Arab christians except for the Lebanese are the core of Arab nationalism as they have nothing els to call nation ,moslem can belong to the moslem nation and so other ethnic groups ,Syria,s Christian elected to be good Syrian and improve the country one step at a time without seeking politecal power ,we should all be so selfless like the Christian of Syria who want Syria to improve with them or without them in power , they are just rightus ,we should all remember that what is important is a better Syria not who is in power.

 
At 6/15/2006 09:32:46 PM, Fares said...

Ehsani,

Yes it bothers me a lot in fact but may be the Muslims in Lebanon are also offended by having a Christian president, but it seems they overturned this by weakening his powers. Also foreign minister used to be orthodox now he is a shia...

Do you know why this clause was included in the "constitution", it was to emphasize the religion of Hafez Al Assad "Alawites are muslims" which many sunnis don't agree with. Just like the constitution was altered in minutes to have 34 as the age for the next president to be legitimate.

I actually laugh about this, first the constitution is a joke and is a tool used by the regime, no credibility or system to support it. Second when I see that there is no freedom and free elections anyway what does it matter!!!! not like the Assad of the time won't be elected with 99.99%.

When there is a chance for fair elections and new laws to be drawn down then you'll see real debate about the equality of all citizens (this falls within that)

However Christians are an integral part of the society and what is good for Secular Syria is good for them. We try to avoid unnecessary frictions or giving the wrong impressions to people who would like to exploit this issue.

We would never impose ourselves on the rest of the society...

but I'll be the first one to demand the clause to be modified if it is in the interest of the country

Fares

 
At 6/15/2006 09:33:33 PM, norman said...

Ehsani ,the president being moslem was a compromise in 1973 the initial copy did not mention the religin of the president but the MB at that time went on a rampage in few Syrian cities encluding Latakia Homs Aleppo and Hama calling for an islamic state Hafez Asad refused and as a compromise and with approval of Syria,s christian who did not want any chance of an islamic state he sugested that the president be Moslem,and the rest is history.

 
At 6/15/2006 09:40:44 PM, EHSANI2 said...

George Ajjan,

I think that the example of Argentina that you have cited states the following in section 2 of that country’s constitution:

“The Federal Government supports the Roman Catholic Apostolic Religion”

In the case of Syria, Article 3 of its constitution states:

“The religion of the President of the Republic has to be Islam”

 
At 6/15/2006 09:46:17 PM, Fares said...

Norman,

Lebanese Chritians are arabs, you can ask the maronites and orthodox of the north, or the catholics of the south. As for the rest, they suffered a lot because of what arab ties and causes brought them. hence, they tried to negatively deal with the situation. You'll see Lebanese with Syrians origins the first to attack Syrians.

People seem to forget that they went through so much with 15 years of civil war (Iraq has been only 3 years) so multiply by 5!!!! no region was spared. I took Lebanese attacks on Syria in 89/90 in Montreal with an open chest and mind. It was understandable.

Even arabic Syria studies with passion the rich pre-arabic history of Syria, Iraq and Egypt. We are descendent of Phoenicians as well as other cultures, but we are arabs since it was the latest culture and descends from the other ones.

As for Aoun, he has been an idiot, always confrontational and putting Christians in tough spots, what would he do if he was president, kick all the sunnis out?

My 2 cents on Lebanon (I am partly Lebanese)
Fares

 
At 6/15/2006 09:55:00 PM, George Ajjan said...

Ehsani, you are correct however as I originally stated this more egalitarian form of the Argentinian constitution only came to be in 1994.

 
At 6/15/2006 09:55:23 PM, norman said...

Fares ,Aoun will not stand for setling the Palestenians in Lebanon and making the christian Lebanese president a constiyutional president without power.

 
At 6/15/2006 09:59:58 PM, Fares said...

So he allies himself with Hizbullah and make himself a tool of Syria and Iran. Turns agaisnt France which hosted him for so many years. May be he has good policies but his style is still very confrontational. You are satisfied with him since he is now appreciated in Syria, you'll spit on him the first move he makes against Syria. What are you anyway? Syrian, Lebanese? more background will be appreciated.

 
At 6/15/2006 10:19:23 PM, norman said...

Fares ,i am a Syrian christian (Syrian Orthodox )from Hama /Syria Iam a medical doctor ,Oncologist live in the US and carry Syrian and American nationalities,i think Aoun is tough opponant to Syria but hounorable one ,he looks to the future as duelling on the past will not help Lebanon and without Syria Lebanon is isolated and he understand that what Syria want from Lebanon is not to be a platform to attack Syria and devide the country ,Aoun wants to fight coruption to have a democratic election law where christian will be represented by christians of christian choice no Harreri or other sunni cheiftens,remember it was Jumblat who attacked the christians looking on their ID cards Hizballa and Sheaa did not .please excuse my spelling and gramatical mistakes.

 
At 6/15/2006 10:40:17 PM, Fares said...

Norman, Your position does not differ from the Syrian regime that much, they do a good job brainwashing people.

Any way lebanese regime should be friendly with Syria, Aoun or Hariri or Jumblat or anyone. Syria and Lebanon need each other. But Syria can not keep attacking Lebanon and treating it like a Syrian Province.

Lebanon needs to be free in order to shine and prosper. Syrian regime want security and military forces to rule so both countries share the same fate. You can't look at Lebanon's history of faction fighting to build the future, equations and power balances have changed and the alliances have been rebuilt.

Jamyel was an ally of Syria at some point even though they killed his brother, Jumblat was an ally of Syria even though they killed his dad.

If Syria was as free and prosperous as Lebanon then I would be the first to call for a fair unity between the 2 countries, but Lebanon is first and we will follow. The Regime knows that so he tries to sabotage any possible dream. What does Lebanon gain by being hostile to the west and an ally of Iran??? and what does it mean to have a confrontational president other than stirring trouble.

3arassi Hama and my mom is from Machta Il Helou (Tartous) but grew up in Lebanon...my aunt has relatives in Hamma...some Christians are unfortunately blindly behind the Syrian regime but soon they'll realize all their privileges taken away little by little.

 
At 6/15/2006 10:56:06 PM, norman said...

Do you know Makdasy from Mashta hello ,they were our naibours,I do not Syria should unite with Lebanon ,but i can see Syria and Lebanon establishing a united state but after a desent election law in both countries which protect minorities like the US constitution ,about being brainwashed by the regime ,one more info for you my freind i never joined the Baath or any other politecal party and i spent most my life in the US actualy just more than half.it looks that you and i are the only people still awake.

 
At 6/16/2006 12:45:23 AM, majedkhaldoon said...

in the past, many presidents in syria came to power, by staging military coup, or placed by foreign power such as France, that is why it is necessary that this clause stay in the constitution, can you imagine USA occupy syria, and put pro isreal jew as president, or an officer (christian) stage a coup and become president, if to be president is a free democratic process, then no one should be excluded

 
At 6/16/2006 10:14:37 AM, Fares said...

Norman,

It is ok to differ in opinion, can't expect 18 million Syrians to think alike. We don't differ much, I am just more pragmatic and practical and don't see things always with the same angle, positions and strategies should always be evaluatued depending on the feeds. Also I don't look at the interests of Syria and Lebanon from a sectarian angle (ah this is good for the Christians)

As for Aoun, i remember meeting a lebanese girl in Paris in Summer 2001 and she was so pissed because her friends got arrested the previous day by the Syrian army in Beirut because they were Aounists or now ex-Aounist demonstrating agaisnt Syrian presence. I was so ashamed and did my best to distance myself from the stupid regime saying they should leave Lebanon alone.

Aoun now can't even forcefully demand the release of lebanese prisoners in Syrian jails, some of them were jailed because of his miscalculated uprising agaisnt the Syrians, where actually a lot of people died. He is also not standing up for the Lebanese Army (where is the loyalty)

I am sure he lost a lot of his supported doing a 180 turn.

I am not an expert on Lebanese affairs and I don't really care for the nuances because they change every day.
But I am for healthy and positive relations between Syria and Lebanon and freedom for both people. I am sure you agree on this...
Fares

 
At 6/16/2006 10:27:18 AM, Fares said...

Majedkhaldoon,

Your comment is so RACIST...so it is ok for an alawite to stage a coup but not a Christian!!!!! and for your info the US or any other power is not dumm enough to put someone so controversial for a president (to answer your jewish remark)

and you are ok for Democracy because you are sure who will win religion wise.

How come muslims were so happy when Carlos Menem became president of Argentina but they won't allow a Christian to rule Syria or any other arabic countries (not that we want power), why the double Standards, we are EQUAL Syrians and we love the country as much or more than any other community.

If you love Syria then you better change your attitude...we don't want people like you in Power

For a better Syria
Fares

 
At 6/16/2006 10:38:39 AM, EHSANI2 said...

Fares,

This is why this topic is not as insignificant as some people think. Your response was spot on. If we claim to be a country for all and if we want to think of ourselves as one people, then let us practice what we preach.

 
At 6/16/2006 10:52:46 AM, EHSANI2 said...

The “Whole Food” chain of super markets has decided to ban selling live lobsters in all its stores effective immediately. This decision was based on a long investigation into the way live lobsters are caught and sold. The conclusion was that these animals suffer from inhumane conditions that result from being placed in water tanks for a period of up to six months before the final consumer purchases them.

Leaders of the Middle East and elsewhere..........please reflect on this little story.

 
At 6/16/2006 06:28:43 PM, norman said...

You might like to see this ,they are listning to yDamascus, 16 June (AKI) - The Syrian government, in an apparent about-face, aims to cut state subsidies on fuel, Deputy Prime Minister Abdallah al-Dardari has announced. According to al-Dardari who is also repsonsible for economic affairs, subsidies, particulary energy fuel are draining up to 12 percent of the country's GDP. The government "must reduce the subsidies to halt the increase in budget deficit in particular in the light of rising petroluem prices," al-Dardari said in a news conference.
The way public funds were being currently spent is "socially unjust", the deputy premier added.

According to government sources the slashing of subsidies will coincide with new tax regulations which will increase the number of salary and income categories used by the state to caculate the amount of income tax individuals and companies have to pay.


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