Sunday, June 25, 2006

Odds and Ends

I will be traveling for a week and won't be able to post, alas.

Here are a few worthy articles:

In the "American Conservative," Divided & Conquered: A visit to Syria, Israel, and Palestine reveals the barriers—physical as well as political—to Mideast peace: By Scott McConnell, July 3, 2006.

Syria cracks down on dissent by Anoushka Marashlian, for "Open Democracy," 19 - 6 - 2006.
The domestic, regional and exile pressures on Bashar al-Assad's regime are still a long way from threatening regime change in Damascus, says Anoushka Marashlian.

Compare the al-Hayat story by Walid Choucair to Slackman's
Syria is Not Iran - Jun 24, 2006: It is natural for Syria to want to open up to the influential Arab states at this stage. The question that is mostly raised in the ...

Wary of U.S., Syria and Iran Strengthen Ties
Michael Slackman and Katherine Zoepf in the NYTimes June 25, 2006

SAYEDA ZEINAB, Syria, June 24 — For a long time, the top-selling poster in Hassan al-Sheikh's gift shop here showed President Bashar al-Assad of Syria seated beside the leader of Hezbollah in Lebanon. A few weeks ago a slightly different poster overtook it, this one with the Syrian president, the Hezbollah leader and Iran's president, Mahmoud Ahmadinejad.

Mr. Sheikh's shop is on a bustling street in Sayeda Zeinab beside the entrance to a Shiite shrine that shares a name with the town, and both have been packed with Iranian pilgrims, many more than in years past.

Those changes illustrate what may well be a worrying phenomenon for Washington as it seeks to contain Iran and isolate Syria: the two governments, and their people, are tightening relations on several fronts as power in the region shifts away from the once dominant Sunni to Shiites, led by Iran.

This is, in part, the result of the American installation of a Shiite-dominated government in Iraq after the overthrow of Saddam Hussein and his Sunni-led government. But it is also spurred by the growing belief in Arab capitals that the Bush administration may soon negotiate a deal with Tehran over Iraq and nuclear weapons.

Arab governments once hostile to Iran have begun to soften their public posture after decades of animosity toward Tehran. President Hosni Mubarak of Egypt met Iran's national security chief, Ali Larijani, in Cairo recently, and Saudi Arabia's foreign minister, Prince Saud al-Faisal, visited Tehran this month and declared the two nations to be good friends. In addition, Iranian officials recently sent messages of friendship to every Persian Gulf state.

Amid all that activity, Syria has managed to inflate its power in the region by playing a subtle double game and setting itself up as a possible go-between.

On one hand, it is offering Iran the chance to develop a strong and unified crescent of influence extending from Syria to the Palestinian territories, now led by Hamas, a Syrian and Iranian ally. On the other, Syria, which has a secular-oriented government but is made up of different religious sects and ethnic groups, has held itself out as an important player in the Sunni effort to limit the spread of Shiite influence. That has helped it with Arab countries and has attracted investment from the around the gulf, diplomats and political analysts in Syria said.

"Syria will work to use its role as a pivotal point to get the most from both the Arabs and Iranians," said Ayman Abdel Nour, a political analyst and Baath Party member who works for more political freedoms.

Syria's strategy has helped it win crucial support at a time when it is cut off from the United States and Europe. But political analysts and government officials say it is also a risky strategy, one that could weaken Syria if Iran cuts a deal with the West over its nuclear program — and abandons its ally in Damascus.

"Syrian officials are worried about America making a deal with Iran," said Marwan Kabalan, a political science professor at Damascus University. "Syrians fear that Iranians will use them as a card to buy something from America."

At the same time, Iran's efforts to bolster Shiism in parts of Syria come as the government here is confronted by the rise of radical Islamic ideas that many say are being exported from the gulf region. Though relations with Iran are widely perceived as a political alliance rather than a religious one, the confluence of the two forces could aggravate sectarian rivalries. Tensions among Syria's many religious and ethic groups burn so hot beneath the surface of the society that newspapers are forbidden from identifying sects even when reporting on Iraq.

Syria and Iran began establishing closer ties decades ago, but the real strides have been recent.

Syria has signed expanded military and economic agreements with Tehran covering everything from telecommunications projects to higher education. Syria will buy missiles from Iran. Iran will build cement and car plants in Syria.

At the same time, Arab nations that have been cool to Syria are now reaching out to it. Syria received the king of Bahrain this month, he met Thursday with Mr. Mubarak, and this week President Assad held a telephone conference with King Abdullah II of Jordan. Relations between Amman and Damascus became strained when Jordanian officials accused Syria of allowing Hamas to smuggle weapons across Syrian territory and into Jordan — charges Syria has denied.

"Iran injected Syria with a lot of confidence: stand up, show defiance," said Sami Moubayed, a political analyst and writer in Damascus. "Iran is giving them advice. This is certain."

European diplomats here said that Syria's turn away from the West — and toward Iran and other Eastern countries — had also been part of a domestic power struggle between two forces within the government. Those who favored at least trying to keep a foot in the door with Europe have been silenced, and those seeking to shift Syria toward the East have been empowered, said the diplomats who spoke on the condition of anonymity to avoid aggravating tensions between their governments and Damascus.........

Damascus (AsiaNews) Syria Poses Conditions for Dialogue With Beirut
The Syrian Information Minister Mohsin Bilal, said that first "we have to wait until internal Lebanese dialogue is concluded" (started in Beirut in March and going on intermittently since). He told a delegation of Lebanese journalists, including the AsiaNews correspondent: "When you have finished your meetings, you will be welcome in Syria".

Bilal emphasized the availability of his government to start sincere dialogue, without mediation, between the two countries before dealing with practical issues. "Don't expect Syria to ask anyone to mediate between us and Lebanon," he warned, underlining the importance of existing agreements "which must be respected." This was a response to calls by the anti-Syrian coalition in Lebanon, which is demanding a review of all agreements Lebanon signed with Syria in the past.

The minister clearly said Damascus will receive anyone who wants to go to Syria, "on condition they don't pass through Washington or Paris." Lebanon has asked for a meeting with Syrian officials, but Damascus has been reluctant to invite Prime Minister Fuad Siniora for talks. In a wider context, the reference here is to international pressure exerted by the United States, France and Great Britain, which have promoted a series of UN resolutions regarding Lebanon. The most unpalatable for Damascus is Resolution 1559 of the Security Council that calls on Syria to end its interference in Lebanese affairs, to define its borders and to establish diplomatic ties with Beirut. Bilal called on the French government "to play its historic role", distancing itself from the USA, which is only following "its self-interest" in the region.

Today, the Syrian press reported government sources saying that yesterday's meeting between the Syrian President, Bashar Assad and his Egyptian counterpart, Hosni Mubarak, mediator in the Lebanese-Syrian conflict, "did not yield any positive outcome". Damascus even took the opportunity to reiterate that "for the moment, the issues of the border and diplomatic ties will be not discussed."

Already at the beginning of the week, the Syrian Foreign Affairs Minister Walid Muallem had said that "this is not the right time to establish diplomatic ties" between Syria and Lebanon. However the Lebanese MP, Saad Hariri was more optimistic. Yesterday, in Paris, where he met President Chirac, the son of the ex-Premier Rafic Hariri, killed last year, said diplomatic ties with Syria "are possible".
Exiled leader of Muslim Brotherhood in Syria ready to hold peace ...

162 Comments:

At 6/26/2006 03:56:00 AM, Lira = 1500 said...

[URL="http://www.daralhayat.com/special/06-2006/Item-20060625-0cda1f0e-c0a8-10ed-00b0-158cacbd93a1/story.html"]Assad in his latest interview, Al Hayat newspaper[/URL]

 
At 6/26/2006 09:58:00 AM, majedkhaldoon said...

congratulation, Mauritania.
I hope Syria has similar changes,plus make the officials accountable for the money they stole. and the crimes they commited, we need freedom, democracy, and an end to corruption.

 
At 6/26/2006 10:04:00 AM, Ausamaa said...

Hi Joshua, sorry to hear that you will be travelling for a week. We will miss your "Baathist" comments.
I found that you are one of the most open-mindedly informed Americans about conditions in Syria. What you may
lack about in-depth readings regarding Syria and Arabism history, you make up for with your first hand knowledge and contacts with many Syrians.
Have a nice trip and we hope that by the time your back, the Cedar revolution would have came back to thier senses, Brammertz has found Al Harriri conspirators, the Muslim Brotherhood has struck a deal with Israel and the hardheaded Syrian authority has been replaced by a more modern, liberal, elightehened and open-minded than now, Hizbullah has been disarmed, the 14 th February true saviors of Lebanon has overcome the resistance of thier foes and have managed to unite Lebanon and all its's other " minority" factions under its flag -of course in their strive to achive democracy, soverignity,independence,economic development, nice touristic season, and of course to eradicate al-fasad in Lebanon -and elsewhere of course- but after they clean thier own house, Olmert has finished off what is left of the Palestinians, or the Palestinians have after 60 years of resistance had decieded to listen to advice and has agreed to Israel's terms and conditions, whatever the heck those conditions or wishes are, Iraq has finally began to enjoy the blessing of US democracy and is really in control of its natural resources for the benifits of its people, bin laden has been caught and exposed for who, what and why he did what he did, the Muslim World has come around to understanding the "truth" that whatever the US Admin is doing is really done in the interest of its well being, and , ahhh.. that Ahmad Najad has been assured by the West that nobody bids him ill well and has decided to give up his nukes peaceful or otherwise, what else could we wish to be accomplished by your return......???
I gusse the above will be sufficient for the time being.
Have a nice trip, consider launching a blog dealing with eradicating world poverty, containing HIV, dealing with the enlarging hole up in the sky; they will be more fun subjects and a lot less demanding than the blog you are handling right now.
Nice Trip

 
At 6/26/2006 11:44:00 AM, majedkhaldoon said...

Ausamaa;
I think you missed so many other things, like things in China,Bolivia,and yes Las vegas.

 
At 6/26/2006 01:57:00 PM, Ausamaa said...

Majedkhaldoon;

You are right as the list is long, but I hate long goodbyes.

 
At 6/26/2006 02:16:00 PM, majedkhaldoon said...

I think Josh is going to Syria.

 
At 6/26/2006 04:32:00 PM, Alex said...

Dr. Imad Moustapha confirms on creative syria's think tank this week the mood in Damascus regarding Syrian Lebanese relations, seems to be less than optimistic.

http://www.creativesyria.com/discussion/topicpost.php?TopicAuthorID=28&TopicID=34

 
At 6/26/2006 05:53:00 PM, Fares said...

Alex, his comments are pathetic...I hope he hires someone to write the bullshit and spare himself the disgust.

You told me on my blog to wait 5 years before things will be normal...with official people and views like that -and he was supposed to be moderate and a new face, may be my grandson (and I am still not married) has a slight chance of going back in 100 years.
Enough "maskhara" comdedy,
and Freedom for Michel Kilo
Fares

Also an friendly advise Alex, don't even waist your time trying to ask for Kilo's freedom from him, it would be a pure waist of energy, just ask him to be original and try to come up with new excuses next time to justify "Istihbal Al Sha3ab" thingking the people are dumm and stupid.

 
At 6/26/2006 06:03:00 PM, Fares said...

I also would like to add that his comments and contribution are a disgrace to the Creative Syria website. He should subscribe to a new website that I'll create for him and his masters "How to Suffocate Syria and Lebanon"...

I can't decide whether my future grandson in 100 year would be under Hafez the 3rd or Bashar the 3rd or Maher the Second from the Assad Clan, or may be Makhlouf will do a white coup and it would be Rami the 3rd...It could be the Shawkat clan however and in that case Assef with Hafez still a possibility...It is hard to focus when the choices are too many. Why can't Bashar be immortal and rule for 500 years since his first 6 were so enjoyable...But wait he won't have enough land to build prisons on...may be he'll have space contracts to send them to Mars or Hell...

 
At 6/26/2006 06:28:00 PM, HARBOOK said...

Revolution does not begin with crude bitching. Start from a higher road.

 
At 6/26/2006 06:41:00 PM, Fares said...

Harbook,

I don't know if you are addressing me, but I am not calling for a revolution, all I am asking for is Freedom for Michel Kilo which apparently is too much to ask for.

Since we don't have freedom of speech in Syria, and we have it here then I am intending on using all methods and styles of writing to get my points across and who ever has 2 ears or in the blogs case 2 eyes then they might listen or read!

freesyria.wordpress.com
Fares

 
At 6/27/2006 12:13:00 AM, Alex said...

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At 6/27/2006 12:39:00 AM, Alex said...

Fares (and Ammar, if you visit here),

Reading your comments today I got the impression that Syria is led by this doctor .

First, I assume that you want me to play “devil’s advocate” again.

I will next assume that you and Ammar found both Dr. Moustapha’s article this week at Creative Syria, and the President’s interview with Alhayat to be:

1) Not honest, misleading: But since when are politicians supposed to say the truth, all the truth, and nothing but the truth? … would you disagree with me if I claim that almost every interview or speech by any national leader out there could include a mixture of truth, half truth, non-answers, and the most common: generic answers that are meant to avoid giving the real answer while hinting to it. Why is it that Bashar should be held to a uniquely high standard? … when you become a soldier, you should be prepared to kill, a political leader? .. you should be prepared to play the game like your fellow club members play it. Seniora is “a nice person” Bashar too, and he was simply matching Seniora’s sweet words, but not very sweet actions.

2) Foolish, wrong: How do you know? How does Ammar know? … is the game over? Did the Syrians lose to the Lebanese? To the Saudis? The Americans? … if the Lebanese/Saudi/American press is not giving their Syrian “opponents” good marks, does that mean I should accept them as fair judges?. I am not saying Syria is consistently doing the right thing (as the regime men claim) but I am not stuck in last year’s mentality when it looked like Bahsar and Co. are totally lost when it comes to playing the games of international relations. That impression was after Syria was forced to leave Lebanon (which was a good thing) and it LOOKED like they surely killed Hariri and it LOOKED like they will be caught tomorrow because they were so stupid in the obvious way they planned the assassination. As we know by now .. we know nothing yet. That impression we got was mostly the making of the less-than-reliable Lebanese and Kuwaiti press. A lot of last year’s stories, and analysis was simply a bunch of wishes. So I don’t find it prudent to make final judgments on the success or failure of Syrian foreign policy. I am of the opinion that we should not get happy or angry yet. We really do not know the final results.

But I agree that in general we do have a P.R. problem. It seems the Syrians are much more focused on appealing to the Arab masses at the expense of their ability to communicate with the west.

Although, there are some efforts to improve things . Not all reports are negative.

 
At 6/27/2006 12:39:00 AM, Alex said...

As for Michel Kilo. You know my opinions there. But point (1) above also addresses the case of having political prisoners. “bad” … but they all do it. The “wrongs” in his case are:

1) The regimes in the Middle East have no tolerance to different opinions, which is sadly the case for most people as well, not only the regimes.

2) They assume they ALWAYS know better.

3) Michel’s signing on the Lebanon declaration was a bit confrontational, knowing the mood between Syria, and the current Lebanese government. I am against forcing Syria to send an ambassador today. This is a loaded issue. Next year I would love to see that Ambassador in Beirut, but I think Michel’s support of this pressure today was not wise.

4) In general, western reporters who interview Michel (and Anwar) always drop the nice things that these opposition intellectuals say and publish instead the most powerful criticism parts. This gives the impression to the Syrian regime that Michel is “not honest and not fair”. I know for a fact (from a friend who is an American journalist who interviewed Michel) that Michel said some nice things about Bahsar… those never make it to the final print.

 
At 6/27/2006 12:58:00 AM, HARBOOK said...

Fares,

I feel that your friend must be free. His intellect languishes. But we must realize the truth which keeps this yoke about the neck. The Syrians are content. They have no pen or sword of dissent, for there is no passion in its draw. The masses remain coddled and asleep. They have that laissez faire attitude it seems…let it ride on black baby as the wheel swirls. A president for a month, a year, a quarter century. It is as dramatic as an Egyptian soap. How can you expect the Syrian population to dream Kilo free. His freedom is a drop in a box of rain. We are a civil society without a care, drunk and daydreaming in a sunlit field. Blame it on Assad dammit. Blame it on King George and his occupying army from the far shore.

Find their pulse and that will be the locks key.

 
At 6/27/2006 01:35:00 AM, Fares said...

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At 6/27/2006 01:37:00 AM, Fares said...

Alex,

I really congratulate you for telling me now that Michel Kilo was confrontational! What does it matter if he said something or he did not! he should be entitled to his opinion, it is not like he has 5 million followers waiting for his order to grap power!

And again you amaze me how comfortable you feel defending the regime knowing really well that they don't intend on doing anything except preserving their power, and in the process assassinate anyone internal or external who poses the slight danger to them (assassination could be physical or virtual-like putting people in prison or firing them from their job or threatening them or their families or putting their name on the border, you name it).

Bashar might not be Dr Evil (it is not really comical to compare him to a funny character), but he is certainly Evil junior and he is not showing me that he is in control or he must be the dummest person on Earth and he should be fired for ignoring the basic steps to get Syria forward, he brought all the pressure on himself...no one told him to extend Lahoud's term or kill Hariri or ally himself with Iran or putting people in prison. In that same interview of Al hayat, he said: "This is an internal matter and no one tells them what to do!" who is he :GOD!!!!!!!! the Syrian people were not created by him and don't owe him anything...His diapers were being changed when Michel Kilo started writing!

But like you said people should accept other people's different opinion or point of views and I accept yours because I know that you chose this role out of your love for Syria and certainly not of love for these criminal thugs.

Don't free Michel Kilo, just kill him so he does not suffer anymore...you would do the world a service since he is probably a member of AL Qaeda that are now prospering in Lebanon because Bashar's useless army left the lebanese soil. Anything for public consumption even for the americans is welcome news, he is going to succeed Kadhaffi pretty soon as the arabs clown.

Freesyria.wordpress.com
Fares

 
At 6/27/2006 01:50:00 AM, Fares said...

Harbook, thanks for your pessimism...this is currently the hopeless mood that we are in...But Michel Kilo will create thousands of him and justice will prevail.

Tyrants will be brought down sooner or later, the more mistakes they commit the more they incriminate themselves and no matter how powerful they look and how they can crush all weak and helpless people...

Revolutions don't start out of nothing but they do start and Assad is burning all his cards slowly, his regime and society is already becoming more islamic and that will burn him. Iran will become his biggest headache and the arab regimes will be happy to see him humilated like Saddam Hussein or worse.

 
At 6/27/2006 07:17:00 AM, t_desco said...

Sam F. Ghattas still can't make up his mind:

Syria vs. Islamist militants: is it hype?
AP

Let's see: there have been confirmed incidents of al-Qa'ida terrorism in Turkey, Lebanon, Iraq, Jordan, Egypt and Saudi Arabia. When somebody sneezes on Pennsylvania Avenue it is terrorism (with CNN Breaking News coverage), but when there is an incident in Syria it is just "terrorism" and hype. Give me a break!

 
At 6/27/2006 08:54:00 AM, Atassi said...

Syria: Plain sailing?
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Economist Intelligence Unit - Business Middle East
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(C) 2006 The Economist Intelligence Unit Ltd.
The IMF has lent weight to government claims that the economy is in good shape, despite falling oil output and the pariah status of the Bashar al-Assad regime. But there are important caveats

The good news is that the non-oil economy is showing robust rates of growth, the balance of payments outlook is positive and the fiscal accounts have shown marked improvement over the past two years, even though oil-related proceeds have declined by almost 6 percentage points of GDP. On a more sobering note, the IMF observes that the dwindling of oil reserves poses a serious challenge to fiscal and external sustainability, that the unemployment situation is “precarious” and that the business climate is clouded with “growing political uncertainties”—a reference to the pressures faced by the Assad regime owing to its presumed role in the assassination of Rafiq al-Hariri, the former Lebanese prime minister, in February 2005.

Disclosure

The prompt publication of the IMF Article IV mission’s statement in late May was a first for Syria, reflecting a more open approach to economic policy matters since the appointment of Abdullah al-Dardari, the regime’s principal champion of economic reform, as first deputy prime minister for economic affairs in June 2005. Likewise, the appearance of last year’s full Article IV report in October broke new ground in terms of disclosure. At the same time, however, the IMF says that the government should not become over-reliant on the technical assistance it receives from international agencies, and should devote adequate resources to develop an autonomous technical capacity to design and monitor policies. This observation can be seen as an implicit, but gentle, warning to Mr Dardari of the pitfalls of using the IMF and donor agencies as proxies in the internal debate on economic policy.

Shortly before the IMF report appeared Mr Dardari announced to a business conference in Damascus that real GDP growth in the non-oil sector was 5.5% in 2005, reflected in higher non-oil exports and a big increase in tourism income. Mr Dardari omitted to give a detailed breakdown, and the published reports of his remarks did not include any reference to overall GDP growth, including the oil sector. The IMF report offers some illumination. It states that preliminary data suggest that a strengthening of domestic demand, together with a robust performance of exports, “may have boosted non-oil growth” to about 5.5% from 5% in 2004. It appends a footnote stating that “overall growth was limited to 3 percent, given the decline in oil production”.

The IMF also notes that economic growth was fuelled to a large extent by excess liquidity in the Gulf Arab states and by a loosening of credit controls in Syria itself. Its analysis of the sharp increase in credit to the private sector in 2005 notes that most of the new funds came from state-owned banks, with a strong bias towards consumer loans. It adds that this rapid expansion of credit is likely to have weakened the quality of the banks’ loan portfolios. It was also an important factor in the rise in consumer inflation to 7% at end-2005, compared with 4.5% in 2004.

The IMF also provides some critical context to the improvement in Syria’s fiscal indicators, with the non-oil budget deficit narrowing by 2.5 percentage points of GDP in 2005, following a 1.75-point reduction the previous year. It notes that the main reason for this was a sharp rise in public-enterprise surpluses, arising principally from the government’s share in expanding mobile-phone revenue and from public-sector bank profits. As such, the IMF comments that this raises questions about the sustainability of this “ostensible improvement”, particularly given the poor accounting standards in Syria and the opaque way in which public enterprise accounts are consolidated. The overall budget deficit remained unchanged at 4.2% of GDP, owing to the decline in oil revenue (higher prices failing to offset falling output).

Mr Dardari has frankly acknowledged the challenges that Syria faces in light of its historic legacy of poor economic performance and in the context of dwindling oil revenue. He has drawn up a five-year plan aiming to accelerate economic growth to 7% by 2010 and to bring down unemployment to 8% (from about 20% now). The plan includes a strong fiscal consolidation strategy, with the introduction of value-added tax (VAT) in 2008, and envisages a major increase in private investment in response to structural economic reforms. The IMF applauds the government’s intention to bring in VAT, but urges the authorities to apply the tax to virtually all goods and services, rather than to limit its coverage to a few sectors in a bid to shield the poor from price increases—that latter goal can be better achieved through imposing thresholds and targeting financial assistance. The IMF also strongly recommends that the government phase out petroleum price subsidies, and press ahead with its plans to float the Syrian pound. Some aspects of the plan come in for criticism, in particular the provision for a 7 percentage-points of GDP increase in public debt, which the Fund describes as imprudent.

 
At 6/27/2006 09:06:00 AM, t_desco said...

Chinese whispers:

Syria accuses Lebanon of sheltering al-Qaida linked militants
Xinhua

Obviously based on a misleading AP headline:

Syria claims Lebanon shelters militants
AP

And here is what Bashar al-Asad really said:

Islamic extremists hiding out in Lebanon: Assad

"We are chasing a lot of groups and a number of them have escaped from Syria to Lebanon because it's closest and easiest through mountainous roads," Assad said in an interview with the pan-Arab newspaper al-Hayat.
Reuters

 
At 6/27/2006 09:17:00 AM, Alex said...

Fares,

The last thing I wanted was to get on your nerves. But I hope you can consider that there are good things that some people do that end up causing bad outcomes. Here are examples

1) When Kilo got into the Syrian Lebanese conflict. There is no question that in an ideal world (as Joshua says) he has the right to advocate publicly his opinions and vues. But when you look out from your window and see two sides with machine guns fighting over something, this is not the best time to go and show support to one of the two sides, even if you have every right to do so.

2) Those wonderful journalists who interview Kilo and the other secular opposition leaders and filter out all the comments except the most heavily regime critical comments, gave the impression to the hardliners in the regime that Kilo is so one-sided in his hate to them. This is simply not true. As I told you, I already heard some of his unpublished opinions which were very balanced and mentioned the good and the bad.

So again, well intentioned western journalists end up doing their additional role in getting Kilo in jail.

Fares, I hope at least you agree with me that while many of the secular Syrians (regime and opposition) are too busy fighting each other, the fundamentalists are left in peace to advance their goals and setup new realities in Syria. Sami Moubayed wrote an excellent piece today that I hope you will read.

So my approach is: Michel Kilo was doing exactly the right thing until he exercised his right to express his solidarity with the Lebanese demands. I wish he did not do that. He should be out there putting some sense into everyone's mind.

And finally, what counts is impressions and not facts. Since Kilo is a Christian and since he worked for (and got paid from) an "anti Syria" lebanese Christian newspaper, he, should not risk giving the impression that "Syrian Christians are siding with Christian Lebanese against their country" ... an impression that many regular Syrians got, as you noticed on the many Arabic Syrian news sites.

And finally, some of the regime men that you dislike are not as bad as you think. They just know how to control their right to express their opinions in order to continue being a moderating force for change, instead of ending up on the sidelines ...for nothing.

 
At 6/27/2006 09:26:00 AM, EHSANI2 said...

Mr. Kilo most likely got into trouble for his “obituaries” article more than the Syria-Lebanon declaration, as many seem to think. I encourage everyone to read the article that I cite. I was personally astounded that he would write such a piece. Unless Mr. Kilo thought that he was living in Norway, I cannot possibly see how he could have personally been surprised by his arrest.

 
At 6/27/2006 09:47:00 AM, Alex said...

Ehsani can you (or anyone) post that article or its link?

 
At 6/27/2006 10:00:00 AM, EHSANI2 said...

http://akerhaug.blogspot.com/2006/05/theyre-arresting-our-comrades.html

I am trying to find the original Arabic version. The above link has the English one if you scroll to bottom I believe.

 
At 6/27/2006 10:49:00 AM, Fares said...

Alex, Ehsani...

The original translation of the article in French is on my site, one of my dear friends did it and the link that Ehasanni posted badly translate it into English

http://freesyria.wordpress.com/2006/05/23/traduction-du-dernier-article-de-michel-kilo-avant-larrestationfrench/

and here is the introduction in English
http://freesyria.wordpress.com/2006/05/24/reason-for-arrest/

I'll comment on your wonderful arguments later

 
At 6/27/2006 10:52:00 AM, EHSANI2 said...

I think that only the original Arabic version does the article full justice.
It was posted by one of the participants in the comments section here a while back

 
At 6/27/2006 11:13:00 AM, Alex said...

Burhan Ghaliyoun last week in an interview with an Arab newspaper ... it implies advice to the western powers trying to modernize Syria and Iraq ... start with economic reforms that show results instead of going into a fight with the existing regimes.... political reform comes naturally after.

- لكن هل يمكن القول أن مشروع
التحديث ليس أمامه أفق؟

غليون:
عندما تعطى الشعوب أملا، كما فعل الاتحاد الاروبي مع تركيا - ليس فقط بوعدها الدخول في الاتحاد، بل باستثمار المليارات من الدولارات التي تخلق فرص العمل، وتطور الصناعة، وتعطي للانسان شعورا بأن للحداثة فوائد وفيها ايجابيات، وليست كلها قتل وضرب وسجن، كما هو الحال في البلدان العربية - عندما يتم ذلك، يحدث التحول. في هذه الحالة، حتى الاسلامين تحولوا من الداخل، واصبحوا مقتنعين بالعمل مع الغرب الحديث، وادركوا أن الحداثة منظومة دولية، وواقع تاريخي. وهكذا فهموا أنه ليس أمامنا اختيار، فإما أن نفاوض حتى ندخل الحداثة الحقيقية المنتجة والمبدعة لقيم أخلاقية وإنسانية ومادية أيضا، أو أصف على قارعة الطريق واقبل بحداثة هامشية. فنحن لسنا مخيرين بين القبول بالحداثة أو الاحتفاظ بالتراث. لم يعد احد قادر على الحياة في التراث ولا العودة إليه، مهما حصل. إن ما هو مطروح علينا، إذا لم ننجح بانتزاع شروط حداثة منتجة ومبدعة وبناءة وحيوية، هو البقاء في نموذج حداثة رثة، فقيرة، ضعيفة بدون قيم ولا روح.

 
At 6/27/2006 11:48:00 AM, Nafdik said...

Alex,

A few weeks ago I ahd some respect for you when you said that putting Michael Kilo in prison is wrong.

I see that you are trying to finess your position now, by blaming the problem partially on his outspoken remarks at such a critical time for our nation and at being misrepresneted by journalists.

So are you comfortable to live in a country where security services read the papers in the morning and then make a judgement call on who they should arrest. And are you comfortable in the role of the intellectual who will defend these practices?

 
At 6/27/2006 12:34:00 PM, Alex said...

Nafdik,

You will be surprised at who else agrees with you and me that putting Kilo in prison was a serious setback for Syria. Things are not "us against them". Ther are good people on "both sides".

There are two options to achieve desired change in Syria:

1) revolutionary
2) calculated, continuously adaptive.

The first one is the type that might be more effective when most of the environmental conditions are friendly.

They are not. There was this perception last year that the Syrian regime is totally lost, totally weak .. and that the Lebanese/French/Americans/Saudis will help the internal opposition to get rid of the regime with ease.

It is time we admit that this is simply not the case. And we also need to admit that a majority of syrian people are still more interested in their peace of mind and safety for their children. They want economic reforms and fighting corruption, and that I always advocate and push for. I am simply not more revolutionary thatnt the gret majority of the Syrian people.

So the second approach to change is to put aside the ideal wolrd hopes, and start with a more realistic step by step type of change... again, something that takes the path of least resistance.

We all would love to sometimes scream out loud against all the things that are wrong in Syria ... but what's the net result? Kilo in jail, Ammar in Washington ... seculars and intellectuals on the side.

The rules of the game for today, are: you can ask for reform, you can work hard for education and economic reforms, you can criticize everything internal without naming specific names.

This gives us a lot of options to do good things. Not everything is on the table of course. But are we going to wait until we are allowed (by force?) to get political reforms before we do anything good for Syria?

 
At 6/27/2006 01:09:00 PM, Fares said...

Alex keep dreaming for better change...you put your faith in the wrong people. In fact they are turning Syria into an islamic state while secular people like yourself applaud them.

All what Bashar is capable and wants to do in terms of reform is listen the Austrian opera performs in Damascus...but he does not mind inflaming the people at the mosques with security-Mukhabarat people like Abu Ka3ka3, or burning embassies in Damascus or becoming an ayatullah himself...in the process becoming a toy in Iran's hand, promoting Islamic forces like Hamas and Hizbullah, and weakening up all secular national people in the middle east. Lebanon is our only remaining window and all you do is justify Syria's position in making it an enemy.

You are hoping to get something from the regime (reform wise) but they are playing you and you know that but you have no alternative but to blame the victim.

Nafdic great comment, you saved me an answer

 
At 6/27/2006 01:59:00 PM, Alex said...

Fares,

We will have to agree to disagree for now.

I do not think we can afford to be emotional. YOu knwo I am not "blaming the victim", and not making "lebanon" an enenmy. But Jumblatt and the other corrupt war lords ARE not exactly friends.

Aoun/HA replacement would prove to be a much more solid and respectable Lebanese leadership. It also could do wonders to the Syrian Lebanese relations. I hope the Syrians would reciprocate with a few gifts in the process ... like sending the Ambassador to Beirut. It won't happen with the current set of corrupt politicians/war lords.

As for the Islamists and their success in changing Syria to their liking ... well too bad. As long as the seculars (regime and opposition) are busy confronting each other this is what we will get. And I am blaming both sides .. not the victims alone.

The regime will not leave. You are happy with that outcome?

You do not respect anything less than all or nothing .. what do you think will be the result? ...

nothing... and less than nothing: a negative move towards fundamentalist vues.

I'm happy with the 25% to 50% improvements i am looking for.

And time for me to go back back to work, today I spent two hours here. So if you want the last word ...

 
At 6/27/2006 02:35:00 PM, majedkhaldoon said...

Some think that economic reform is the priority, and political reform will follow , naturally, How NAIVE, is this view ?, political reform must precede economic reform, for the later to be successful, in despotic regime, only the royal family and the regime loyals,will prosper, look at the people in Syria, they are much poorer than before,their wealth is only due to property inflation,properties that look so dirty from the smoot that cover it, salaries,even they are higher, they are way below poverty level, here in the USA.
calculated ,continuously adaptive. this is possible in Democratic ,country where human beings are free, and respected,anyone who believes in it, is a dreamer, previous history,of the middle east shows that change will be violent, and the people deserve it this way.

 
At 6/27/2006 04:03:00 PM, Atassi said...

Egypt
After the Pharaoh; Who, or what, will replace Hosni Mubarak? Some say democracy, others chaos. It's the question all Egyptians are now asking. No one has an answer.
By Christopher Dickey; With Stephen Glain and Vivian Salama in Cairo

3 July 2006
Newsweek International
International Edition

Copyright (C) 2006 Newsweek Inc. All Rights Reserved.
During his recent weeks in prison, one of Egypt's best-known bloggers, Alaa Abdel Fateh, had a terrible fantasy. What would happen to him if Egyptian President Hosni Mubarak, 78, the man he loves to hate, passed away while Abdel Fateh was in the slammer? "I'm sure millions are actively praying for his sudden death," he wrote in one of several postings that were smuggled out. "Normally I'd be happy. But now that I'm in jail it's a scary thought."

His nightmare scenario? That it would take months for order to be established, with who knows what result. The 24-year-old blogger wrote from the four- by six-meter cell he shared with five other prisoners: "Most likely no one but our immediate family will remember us until it is over. In my mind most people will continue living their lives normally. The huge bureaucracy will chug along, but all security organs will be paralyzed. No officer will wake up the next day and head for his post. Which means [the] prison will be abandoned." What might follow, he dared not imagine.

The irony of Egypt today is that many people, even those who detest Mubarak, share Abdel Fateh's misgivings about a future without the man who has been their ruler, their protector and some would say their jailer for almost 25 years. No matter how much they want to be rid of him, they cannot imagine, quite, who will be in charge and how order will be maintained. Will they be liberated? Or locked down even tighter than they were before? Will power pass from the father to the son, the suave 42-year-old Gamal Mubarak, as many expect? Or to the military? Or to the Islamists? Or will the country descend into chaos as all the contenders compete? The stability of the region, and what's left of the fragile U.S. policy there, depends on an orderly transition. But so much political dust has gathered in Egypt that, once it's kicked up, years could pass before it settles.

Just last summer, a contagious excitement about democratic change was sweeping the Middle East, encouraged and sometimes inspired by Bush administration policies and rhetoric. There had been a massive turnout for Iraq's first elections, then huge protests that drove Syria's troops out of Lebanon. In Egypt, Mubarak decided to allow opposition candidates to run against him for the first time in presidential elections.

But since then, the Iraqi quagmire has deepened. Lebanese politicians now live in terror after a long string of assassinations. Mubarak's leading opponent in last year's vote, Ayman Nour, languishes in prison with no further chance of appeal; Egyptian parliamentary elections were cut short and the results shamelessly rejiggered to limit the gains of the Muslim Brotherhood; new municipal elections have been postponed. Judges who rebelled at being forced to endorse the parliamentary fraud were prosecuted, reprimanded or reined in. The opposition has not been silenced, but fear hangs heavy in the air.

At the slightest hint of street protest, cohorts of riot police seal off whole sections of Cairo. Hired thugs with police protection are let loose on the dissidents. Mahmoud Hamza, a judge who tried to film one such crackdown in April, was left with internal bleeding and a broken arm. "I believe I am under surveillance and my phone is tapped," he says, adding that his cell phone was taken and the calls on it traced. Hundreds have been arrested. Most are members of the Muslim Brotherhood, which is outlawed but also tolerated as a useful political enemy by a government that wants the threat of Islamism to be the only alternative. The Brothers are now the second largest party in Parliament, with 20 percent of the seats.

For many in egypt, lastyear's dreams, this year's bare-knuckled beatings, and the coming years' growing uncertainties resemble the magical realism of Colombian novelist Gabriel García Márquez, whose works are popular throughout the Middle East. In his "Autumn of the Patriarch," a decaying dictator has an "irrepressible passion to endure," but dies just the same. So now for Cairenes. "You feel like you are walking in its pages," says Ibrahim Issa, an outspoken columnist in the daily Al Dustour. "There is a political culture of uncertainty." Ghada Shahbender, an English teacher who cofounded the dissident Web site Shayfeen.com last year, worries about who, or what, might replace Mubarak. "If there is 'divine intervention'," she asks, employing a euphemism for the dictator's death, "what can we fall back on? Will it be the military? The judicial system? Or chaos?"

Searching for a road map to the post-Hosni Mubarak future, intellectuals and businessmen in Cairo are talking about models that might guide Egypt's course. As they mull over the China model, the Turkey model, the Algeria model, the Mexico model and so on, they sometimes sound like blind men trying to describe an elephant, each touching some separate part and coming up with a wildly different picture of the beast as a whole. Yet, from each description one learns something significant about the elephant--about Egypt and about the whole notion of democratic experiments in the Middle East.

"The Chinese model," for example, is shorthand for a system in which the government remains strongly authoritarian while opening up its economy and profiting from free markets. With a little well-polished discourse about a "process" of political reform, this is essentially the design put forward by Gamal Mubarak, who now heads up the politburo of his father's National Democratic Party. The reformist cabinet he helped install two years ago has won praise from the international financial community, and the numbers look good. The economy is growing at almost 6 percent a year. Foreign investment has tripled to $6 billion in three years. Tourist facilities have improved. A recent conference of the World Economic Forum in Sharm el-Sheikh was a showcase for Egyptian modernity and efficiency.

But there's a major problem with the Chinese analogy: Egypt is not China. On the one hand--and this is good--even with the crackdowns in Cairo, the Egyptians allow more freedom of speech than Beijing. On the other hand, while Egypt may be a big market in the Arab world, it's puny compared with the powerhouses of the East. The United States and Europe are not going to excuse Egypt's political repression, as they basically do China's, because of the potential to make enormous riches in the world's biggest market. In fact, there's a joke, repeated often in Cairo's financial circles, about Mubarak chatting with Chinese President Hu Jintao before a state visit to Beijing. Hu asks him how many people he has. Mubarak replies: "70 million." "Ah, well, then," says Hu. "Bring them along!" The bitter truth for Egyptians is that the world economy has not discovered any pressing need for what they have to offer. "In America there are Chinese goods everywhere you look," says Issa. "Do you see any Egyptian goods?"

Many members of the Egyptian elite hope (indeed, some pray) that the military will be the great stabilizing force in Egyptian life if politics takes a sharp turn toward Islamism or chaos after Hosni Mubarak dies--especially if Gamal tries, and fails, to succeed him. "Gamal is weak, he has no credentials," says Hisham Kassem, editor of the independent daily Al Masri al Yom. "A civilian cannot run Egypt right now."

The military analogy many people talk about is Turkey, where the uniformed services form what's been called "the deep state," the bedrock of stability. But there are problems with this model, too. For starters, even if you accept such a role for the brass, Turkey's generals are wedded to a secular ideology, while the Egyptian military has no central idea to hold it together. (There are also concerns that the ranks may have been penetrated by Islamists like the ones who killed Mubarak's predecessor, Anwar Sadat, during a parade in October 1981.) Moreover, the jealous rule of Hosni Mubarak, an Air Force general, has badly weakened the officer corps. There is no known equivalent of Pakistan's Gen. Pervez Musharraf ready or able to step forward, and almost any Egyptian general who starts to look popular finds himself retired to a governorship, or worse. Field Marshal Abdul Halim Abu Ghazala, who saved the regime 20 years ago by rolling tanks into the streets to stop a mutiny by the riot police (yes, the riot police, who burned several hotels near the pyramids), has spent most of his time since then under what some of his friends describe as virtual (if comfortable) house arrest.

In the Algerian precedent, political liberalization was embraced by a would-be reformer at the top in the early 1990s, then crushed by the generals when Islamists scored massive victories at the polls. The civil war that followed cost hundreds of thousands of lives: not a very happy prospect for Egypt, but not a completely implausible one, either. As in Algeria, the military and security leadership might try to keep a low profile, pushing various civilians to the foreground. In Algeria during the worst fighting, people wouldn't even name top generals. They referred to them collectively as "le pouvoir," the power.

A few people make analogies between Egypt's developing party dictatorship, based as it is less on ideology than on patronage, and the long-running rule of the Institutional Revolutionary Party (PRI) in Mexico. From the 1930s to the 1990s, all Mexican political life, such as it was, took place within the party. Any external threat, like the far left in the 1960s, was quite literally slaughtered. But one saving grace of the Mexican system was the commitment to one and only one term for any given president. That kept the political dynamic inside the party, at least, from becoming fatally rigid. Egypt has no such provision. Far from it.

Ultimately, of course, Egypt is Egypt, where the model of the pharaohs' dynastic rule goes back 5,000 years. The machine is getting ready to put Gamal in power if Hosni can ever be persuaded to give up his throne. Yet Gamal, like most young pharaohs, has been guarded by the palace priests for so long that he may have very little idea how the Egyptian people live or act or think. His entourage is a nomenklatura of consumerism, comfortable in and with the West, but deeply unpopular on the street. His National Democratic Party (NDP) is a tired machine bereft of ideas that bases its power on thuggish coercion and shameless patronage. A party ought to have structured cadres, training, discipline, loyalty and a good feel for the grass roots, says American researcher Joshua Stacher: "The NDP is as legal as it gets, and the Muslim Brotherhood is about as illegal as it gets, but the NDP has none of these things and the Muslim Brothers have all these things."

While Gamal Mubarak continues to cultivate his image in the West as a business-friendly leader, the opposition forces are discovering and cultivating each other--in prison. Soon after the long-haired, leftist Alaa Abdel Fateh was released on June 22 he told NEWSWEEK that he'd developed a great rapport with his fellow inmates, the Muslim Brothers. "It was a really incredible thing for me--the solidarity we experienced," he said. "We were all arrested together supporting the same cause." No longer willing--or able--to depend on Hosni Mubarak's irrepressible passion to endure, Egyptians are, by design and default, shaping their own model for the future. Whatever that may turn out to be.

 
At 6/27/2006 05:28:00 PM, Philip I said...

From Philip I

See post today on viarecta.blogspot.com entitled "Secularism in Syria - fast evaporating"

 
At 6/27/2006 06:47:00 PM, Nafdik said...

Thx Ehsani for pointing out the Michael Kilo article. In a sad way the article forsees the unbreachable divide between the thinking Syria represented by Michael and the savage Syria represented by his jailors.

 
At 6/27/2006 07:39:00 PM, Atassi said...

Nafdik,
I am sure somone will Agree and DISagree with you in the same time !!..

 
At 6/27/2006 07:47:00 PM, Alex said...

Nafdik

I agree, in thanking Ehsani for linking the article, but I disagree on the very negative "savage Syrians" expression you used.

:)

 
At 6/27/2006 08:27:00 PM, Atassi said...

I knew it !!

 
At 6/27/2006 08:39:00 PM, Nafdik said...

Atassi,

I am very impressed.

On a different topic should I dump those Google shares I have been hoarding ;)

 
At 6/27/2006 09:01:00 PM, Atassi said...

What a waste, I see so many talented personalities, being misused by this awful regime,

--The regime will not leave. You are happy with that outcome?---
I may not happy!!, please remember, nothing will last for ever, it may feels like the regime is still standing in the face of the wind of change,. NOT for long
I am watching the bad news form Gaza tonight, I am fearful ASSAD & company may read the escalating conflict in the Gaza strip incorrectly, they may see an opportunity of diverting attentions; try to gain sympathy and run head-on into a new adventure which may cost the people of Syria dearly!!

 
At 6/27/2006 09:39:00 PM, Alex said...

Dear Atassi,

If you want, you can write me an email. I will maybe reply with a bit more.

 
At 6/27/2006 10:00:00 PM, Alex said...

Italian Prime minister today agrees. Remember my reward system as part of an offer to Syria?

واتفقنا على فكرة مهمة هي أنه من دون تنمية اقتصادية حقيقية لن يكون هناك سلام حقيقي. رأينا كثيراً فشل الجيوش في هذه المهمة، فالتعاون هو الطريق الصحيح»

 
At 6/27/2006 10:19:00 PM, Ithel... said...

HI! I LIVE IN TORONTO, CANADA, AND AM THINKING OF DOING MY STUDIES IN DAMASCUS UNIVERSITY. I HAVE COME ACROSS THE SYRIAN SYUDIES ASSOS. WEBSITE, AND ITS QUITE HELPFUL, ALTHOU THE DAMASCUS UNI. SITE ISNT.

PLEASE, SINCE I ASSUME THAT YOU'RE A TEACHER OR STUDENT THERE, COULD YOU POSSIBLY TELL ME MORE ABOUT THAT UNIVERISTY? LIKE, I WOULD RATHER GET A LOCALS OPINION THEN JUST READING IT ALL ON THE NET.

ARE THE PEOPLE, AND ACCEPTING? DOES EVERYONE KNOW LIL BIT OF ENGLISH?

REGARDING THE UNIVERSITY, WILL THEY ACCEPT ME, SINCE I ONLY HAVE MY HIGH SCHOOL DIPLOMA, AND MADE A SWIFF DESCION IN NOT STAYING IN CA.? DO THEY ONLY NEED A HIGH SCHOOL, OR DO I HAVE TO BE A UNI STUDENT, TO ENTER???

AS YOU CAN SEE, I HAVE PLENTY OF QUESTIONS. DOES THE ABU NOOR MOSQUE/SCHOOL COMPARE TO THE UNI OF DAMS? WHICH IS BETTER FOR A FOREIGNER? WHCIH IS CHEAPER? WHICH ONE IS LOCATED IN A BETTER, LIVELY ENVIORNMENT?

HOW IS THE NIGHT LIFE? IS IT SAFE TO WALK AROUND AFTER SUNSET? HOW IS THE COST OF LIVING THERE, COMPARED TO CND dollar?

AS AN INTELLEGENT LOCAL WHO HAS PLENTY OF KNOWLEDGE OF SYIA, IS IT BETTER FOR ME TO STAY HERE, EDUACTIONAL WISE?

PLEASE, PLEASE, PLEASE, EMAIL ME BACK OR CLICK ON THE NAME, AND ANSWER MY QUESTIONS! idilabdi_1@ hotmail. com

THANK YOU SOOOOOO MUCH, ...NICE BLOG BY THE WAY :>

ITHEL

 
At 6/28/2006 12:23:00 AM, Alex said...

Try this Blog

http://www.arabicacquisition.blogspot.com/

He studied in Syria. He should be able to help you.

 
At 6/28/2006 01:11:00 AM, Zenobia of the East and West said...

Ithel,
perhaps you should write your queries directly to Joshua's email address provided at the bottom of the blog.

 
At 6/28/2006 06:37:00 AM, Ausamaa said...

Gentlemen, EHSANI1, NAFDIK, ATTASSSI...

1)I just do not see what was so great or strange about Kilo's city/country side article. It was a while ago.In my own opinion, it has added nothing to anyones information. Soldiers the world over come from the Country side while City people are proffessionals, merchants and civil servants. So what is new in his article??? What was new to be honest with you is his article " think" -and I am a city man- is a mischievious subtle attemp to use certain words to make certain groups feel antagonized. But I do not think anyone one put him away because of such an article.
2- While not knowing who Kilo is other than he the uncle of one of my sisters friends, I really do not know who is with or behind him, what he stands for. I do not ofcourse know why he was put wawy but I have to assume that it is because he betrayed his country by signing that Syrian-Lebabese petition. And do not you tell me that such a thing is , signing such a petition at a time like this, was the good/smart/ right thing to do. When Syria is attacked by Jumblat, Hariri Jr, and the likes of Aridi and Jemayal and even Jajjaa; then it is not the time to for a "smart" Syrian to supply them with more powder for thier guns. I did not see read him defending the Jordanian, Guntanamo Bay detainees, the arrested Egypyian Judges, or any other unfortunate people so "courageously".
- Finally, I guess after reading some of the blogs during the past few days, that many Syrian who call themselves Liberals, are getting affected by the Lebanese-bird-flue Syndrom. That Syndrom can be summed up as being 1)Educated or Semi, 2) Financially on the better side of things, 3) away from your country to make money primarily, but you blame it on the unbearable conditions in your country, 4) Lacking in political, historical and cultural depth, but ready to voice or support any anti-authority stand, otherwise, how can you justify, and abdicate your own guilty self from the fact that you are living well above average compared to your countrymen. Of course there are many outside due to political reasons, but the majority are not. Do not worry, this happens all across the world, from Egypt, Jordan, Israel, India, China, Russia and of course greater Lebanon.

So what is the solution?? Bad mouth Syria and the Regeiem every day. Fall i love with the US/Israeli administration and join some well-to do voice-over opposition group. Go back and acept to live under the same economic situation your other 20 million fellow citizens live under and use your experties trying to make things better. OR??? Are you only going back once Syria has flourished economically, has the most liberal political system in the world, when al-fassad has stopped totally, and when peace is signed with Israel and it is totally safe to back home???

What about a real, good, self-critical stand with yourselves before bestowing your words of wisdom upon...and do not forget that we have duties not to Syria but to the Arab Nation as well, so the above might take some time, especially with Syrian-People-Supporting Friends are abound around us...

Incidetly, I am also a well to do Syrian who has been living abroad for while. So as they say: haretna daia'a, wi beneref baa'adna.

P.S. to those Harvard graduates among us, sorry I did not spell-check, grammer-check the above depending on your superior linguistic ability to decipher my words.

 
At 6/28/2006 09:24:00 AM, Nafdik said...

Dear Ausamaa,

I will not defend myself against your Lebanesation accusation.

But a small comment on your call for solidarity with Syria at a moment of crisis.

Syria has been occupied by this regime for over 30 years. Using police state techniques that they have perfected in the their long tenure the regime has made virtually impossible for Syrians to remove it.

When Hama occured the Syrian poeple saw how far this regime is ready to go to defend itself and how little support they can expect from their Arab, Muslim or human brethren.

Given this situation my personal opinion is follow the false cry for national solidarity when the regime is in trouble, but on the contrary. Our only hope for salvation is to hit the regime when it is at its weakest, as we have no chance of hitting it when it is strong.
So if I fault the opposition for anything, it is for missing the opportunity that presented itself after the Hariri debacle to put all its power in an attack.

Now unfortunatly the situation seem to be changing and we might have to wait for another decade or two before such an opportunity presents itself.

 
At 6/28/2006 11:12:00 AM, Fares said...

Aussama, I try to avoid your comments because they make me sick...However if Michel Kilo's is your sister's friend uncle then how come you are so happy that he is in prison, what kind of human are you? can't you at least sympathize with your sister's friend or with your sister if she is upset about it(because if she is not, then she is not a friend)...all what you deserve for this attitude is to be spit on.

Also, you forget that Syrien Regime started all the recent troubles in Lebanon with all their crimes and terrorism, so if some lebanese decide to stop it or face up to it then I don't think you can blame them. If someone killed your relative or friend then you'll know what I am talking about.

Don't give me the regime lecture on how Kilo was a traitor, all that declaration was doing is trying to create an atmosphere of better relations with Lebanon because Syria get nothing if it puts Lebanon as an enemy.

Anyway since when few people who sign something in Syria have any power...why is the regime attacking some weak people...they are acting like the ottomans who hanged our martyrs, but the ottomans were kicked out 2-3 years later, and yes the Arabs allied themselves with England and France to get rid of them...that's what Syrians need to do ally themselves with any devil to change things.

Plus why do you want us to go back? so you can put us in prison? or make our life hell? or be part of the corrupted oppressive system...

Your comments don't benefit anyone...go teach and braiwash people inside because as soon as someone leave Syria they know what kind of shit they were in...

 
At 6/28/2006 12:38:00 PM, Alex said...

One thing I do not feel too good about is that Syrians, like most Middle Easterners, do not handle a conversation with someone with a different point of view with ease.

Earlier, my friend Atassi posted a funny comment on my habit of agreeing and disagreeing with those I argue with.

I enjoyed the humor part, but now it is my turn to make a long and boring lecture out of it.

:)

You are all educated and obviosuly intelligent people. Yet, those in Camp A seem to never find anything to agree with those in Camp B, and vice versa.. is this logical?

And you expect that if we have democracy today in Syria, those who are less westernized than the group who participates here, will be able to handle the diversity in a civilized way?

Besides, why the ultra-emotional style? ... any engineers here?

So, (here we go again): I agre with those of you who are sick of all the bad things that are taking forever to change in Syria today (like continuing to arrest our outstanding intellectuals like Michel Kilo), but I still respectfully disagree with the wisdom of your enthusiastic call for democracy today.

There is a lot of work ahead for Syria. Education and improving economic conditions, with incremental measures for improving the political atmosphere and trust between the different mentalities.

I know one of you mentioned that you can not have economic improvements without a total overhaul of the politcal system. I disagree. I disagree. Here is one way to improve things:

If outsiders are putting their money in Syria, at least we hope that somehow, things are expected to be not going in the wrong direction:

State and UAE company plan to build Syrian Internet City



The Syrian Telecommunication Ministry and the UAE-based Global Investment Company are planning to build specialised office district for information technology companies in Damascus at a cost of USD 3bn, UAE Gulf News reported on June 27.

The company will start by building a sky scraper over 3,000 square metres which will contain offices for IT companies, along with internet cafes. In time, the company intends to expand the project into over 232, 257 square metres.

The Syrian government hopes to replicate Dubai's Internet City which is a strategic and cost effective platform for information and communication technology companies targeting emerging markets. Syria is struggling to find other sources of revenue to replace its declining oil industry.

“We in Syria aim to become a centre for IT production and research,” the Telecommunication Minister Amre Salem said in a press conference he held in Dubai on June 26.

Global Investment will finance the project and the Telecommunication Ministry will offer lands, labour and legal cover.

 
At 6/28/2006 01:03:00 PM, t_desco said...

Israeli warplanes fly over Assad home
28/06/2006 - 18:44:12

Israeli warplanes flew over a home of Syrian President Bashar Assad early today, military officials said, in a message aimed at pressuring the Syrian leader to win the release of a captured Israeli soldier.

The officials said the warplanes flew over a residence belonging to Assad in an overnight raid near the Mediterranean port city of Latakia in northwestern Syria.

Israeli television reports said four planes were involved in the low-altitude flight, and Assad was home at the time.

 
At 6/28/2006 01:11:00 PM, Atassi said...

I Disagree with you Alex, Syria need an overhaul of the political system FIRST. It's a must, SEROUS " I am using capital to emphasize the point" international investors are in business for Growth, profitability and success , They are not willing to go into the a RISK mode, unless they see some visibility and rewards for contributing their skills and money. Don't be misled by the wave of PR " it cost $150 to post a PR!!" ..
I Don't believe Education and improving economic conditions for the Syrian is on the regime TOP list. As Dr Bashare told the WORLD.. Security is, Security of the regime. Alex, YOU need to agree on this :-) ..

 
At 6/28/2006 01:17:00 PM, Fares said...

Alex,

I try to avoid any confrontation with you or people that know how to discuss things and agree or disagree with...as long as the other people are willing to respect or understand the position of the other side.

But when people try to bulldoze people's basic rights and justify regime's position like it is the Koran or the bible then I have no sympathy or respect for these attitudes.

I can bite the bullet once, twice, 3 times and for whatever it takes but we have been doing that for too long.

Your strategy of leaning on people that you can lean on and not tell the regime or the other side what they ought to do won't work for that long. Specially when I see not even a 2 percent budging...where are the results of working with the regime???

There is a minimum acceptable and it is not democracy, it is called human respect. When they start treating people with respect and dignity then the country will move forward.

It does not matter how much money gets pumped into the country and the corrupted pockets, that won't advance the country. You can decorate a tomb with so much gold and luxury but it is still a tomb with dead people in it.

Plus your attitude on the Lebanese makes me very confused. When Jumblatt and Harriri were used by Syria they were ok, now that they want independance they become war lords!!!Most of lebanese politicians are corrupt and have dark pasts but at least the country wants and can advance...If you want to attack corruption then you can start with Syrians and clean your own house before the neighbour houses.

Freedom for Michel Kilo, and respect for human dignity...there is no dialog before that, and no need for one either

 
At 6/28/2006 01:47:00 PM, Zenobia of the East and West said...

I too feel that it is totally unproductive to talk about how another commentor should be "spit on".

I too feel that no matter what a citizen writes or expresses, there are no possible justifications for imprisoning that person. It doesn't matter what politically inopportune moment it is.
However, the main point of Ausamaa's argument was that there is a trememdous amount of hubris behind the demands and accustations being made. As well, there is hypocrisy.

This is a valid point.
It is much easier to stand outside your country and shout about how bad it is and claim that the only thing that will change it..is full scale upheaval (a coup) or an invasion.
why are some of you so willing to have warplanes do your job for you? Because the other option is to go participate in your society to change it.... in the long tedious, effortful manner that would be required to make sure the the next generations of syrians have a new perception of themselves and their government, and their place in the world. This is just too hard it seems, so there are clearly many who would prefer to have some throats slit.

Ironically, the end result would likely not even be some new paradise of liberal life. As Alex, pointed out, the fine people on these blogs can't even have a civilized debate, so how are the plebes in Syria going to suddenly manage their own freedom and have the wisdom of tolerance for diversity.

I believe it is a sign of maturity and critical thinking to always be able to strive to see the inherent merits in other's arguments that we don't agree with. It is great achievment to position oneself to make concessions to other views and interpretations, despite our disagreements. In fact, this is not just crafty argumentation, it is an exercise in humility and in keeping an open mind. Furthermore, 'REALITY' and 'Truth', never are on one side or the other, so it serves us well to see always how many viewpoints can have validity simultaneously. After all, things actually ARE that complex.

 
At 6/28/2006 01:56:00 PM, Nafdik said...

Alex,

Great news on the Internet city if this thing goes through it will be a real positive step that Dr B has done.

In order to take an engineer view that you advocate how about going through history and finding examples of countries that moved to democracy through gradual modification and those that did it through revolution. We can then establish the criteria for success in each group and see to which group Assad's Syria belongs.

 
At 6/28/2006 02:09:00 PM, Fares said...

Zenobia, Alex:

You are putting salt on the wound...I know where are you coming from and how civilized we should be but we are not the cause of the problems...we can't take it, being hit from all sides...yes may be some of us are emotional but most are reasonable and they can recognize change in attitudes when it happens...

As for both of you arguing that we are better than the Syrians inside, that is not true, you are not giving enough credit and justice to the people inside. Syrian people are so smart and can adapt to better situations very quickly. I used to have a lot of conversations and debates with other people when I lived in Syria, and not just friends...

The regime is the problem and you are asking for a generation or 30 years for people to advance, which means go back to pre assad mentality, i would say another 30 years of regime would mean 60 years needed to undo that, we are going backward not forward. They know it and they come every day with new excuses on why is the case and how the world and the US is against us...

Anyway you chose to be in the middle and if that makes you feel good then that's great.

I chose to call for Michel Kilo's freedom and may be I have a personal reaon for it so I won't be happy until he is released.

Alex, before they build internet cities, they can start by fixing the phone lines as my mom and her friends failed to call people in Aleppo the last few days.

to understand better my position, please go to
http://freesyria.wordpress.com/2006/05/31/solidarity-with-michel-kilo/

For a better Syria
Fares

and yes Syria is not Sweden or Norway like Alex and some people have said and iterated million times so still spitting works when someone is a disgrace...and that is a common angry syrian expression like "Tfef 3Aleik"

Zenobia great answer on Ammar's blog, you made me feel better about your position regarding human rights and basic freedoms...

 
At 6/28/2006 02:34:00 PM, Atassi said...

Yes, It's much safer and secure for us to be outside the county to speak our minds, I no issue with that, I don't even feel guilty about it!! In the other HAND, if you are talking about hypocrisy!! Let's not forget the regime's HAMA rule. They are willing to use this RULE any time they feel threaten. The Assad's have it's best trained, feed and equipped ARAMY around Damascus ready to apply the HAMA rule again if needed. NO ONE is asking or willing to support any kind of an outside powers upheaval the regime. When the time is right, and the people are ready for change "FEAR will move form the people to the regime".

 
At 6/28/2006 02:50:00 PM, Zenobia of the East and West said...

Atassi,

ok, well, maybe I have been misinterpreting the strong language of those here who are pressing for ousting the regime to mean that they intend for this to take place by any means necessary including outside force and intervention.
It is unclear to me how and by what means the advocates of entire government change or complete "overhaul of the political system" intend to bring this about. ???
If not by outside force, this can only mean internal force. But still the ability to achieve this end (lets suppose i even agree with the end , for a moment) depends on the will of the people. If it is done regardless of the will of the mainstream people, then you are suggesting a coup by a small group, thereby, starting a new leadership that is at it inception, by definition, undemocratically achieved.
It seems to me, a problematic contradiction.

Clarification, as to what you, Fares, or any other has in mind for what "total overhaul" looks like.... would be very helpful.

 
At 6/28/2006 02:56:00 PM, Zenobia of the East and West said...

oh yeah, and I didn't realize spitting was a well established national expression !... glad to be informed.....

 
At 6/28/2006 03:07:00 PM, Fares said...

Zenobia, can you ask yourself one second what does the regime lose by releasing Kilo and the others arrested recently (well 45-50 days now)...then ask yourself why don't they do it (free them).

The conclusion is they want to humilate us and have their boots on our necks. It is called suffocating Syria and Lebanon.

Once they start playing nice and show us that they intend to rule in a more civilized way then as far as I am concerned they can stay.

BTW talks of Israeli planes spread to my office now and I am so happy to see Bashar humilated, he deserves it. Next time they should send him a stronger signal.

 
At 6/28/2006 03:08:00 PM, Atassi said...

The last thing I said, "When the time is right" "and the PEOPLE are ready" for THE change "FEAR will move form the people to the regime".
THIS IS IN NO MEAN A COUP, OR starting a complete new leadership !! But the dominant role of the Assad family and the Baath party needs to reduced to allow a program of transition to a democratic and free society.

 
At 6/28/2006 03:26:00 PM, Zenobia of the East and West said...

Ok, then, it seems we are not so far in disagreement! after all......

but what makes the people "READY"? for the 'CHANGE'.....

surely, publicizing the inadequacy if not crimes of the regime is important, but as far as I can tell, this has not achieved much. As was pointed out, the 'street' has not moved but two inches towards demanding a new government.

To my mind what will move the people to be READY for CHANGE... is NOT so much their outrage and frustration (the syrian people seem to have endless tolerance for deprivation and govt abuse! sadly...) No, what will envigorate them.... is the desire for economic advantage and for the abundances they see enjoyed by the rest of the world.

Internet City!!!...... I have faith in TECHNOLOGY and SEXUAL appetites!... to bring about change.... call me crazy... but....
the people will be SEDUCED into wanting MORE....and into DEMANDING more.... IT IS THE YOUNG...who will do that. They see too much, they want too much.
My most pious cousins, who still fancy themselves so religious and obediant, still can't keep their hands off their computers and the internet. Nor can they stand this waiting....till they are 35 when they might be able too afford a wife....so they can indulge in the erotic necessities of being alive.
There is your Revolution in the making....!!
do i sound like a nut?

 
At 6/28/2006 03:49:00 PM, Nafdik said...

Zenobia,

I am glad you are bringing back the argument to discuss ideas rather than weather we live in AlHasake or Helsinki.

Once we agree that this regime is a cancer and that the longer we leave it to destroy our culture, economy, land, the good-will of our neighbours and our social harmony the more generations of Syrians will have to bear the burden of repairing its damage, we can start thinking on the best way to extract this cancer.

Of course many cures can be thought of:

1) Peaceful internal revolt
2) Armed internal revolt
3) Coup leading to another doictatorship
4) Invasion by a "coalation of the willing"
5) Embargo that leads to collapse
6) The regime reforming itself under the leadership of a white knight (a gentelman, an officer and a Doctor)
7) A combination of the above (death by a thousand cuts)

My personal opinion is to go for option 7 and since this regime have survived for the last 30 years we know it is quite resilient.

My understanding you, Alex and Oussama all think that 6 is the only acceptable option.

OK now you can blast me as an agent of the enemy and that I want Syria to be pludered by the US, etc, etc

 
At 6/28/2006 04:09:00 PM, t_desco said...

Direct Zarqawi - Ain al-Hilweh link emerges:

SIDON: Gunfire echoed across the Ain al-Hilweh Palestinian refugee camp for more than 40 minutes Tuesday night as news of yet another youth's death in Iraq was "celebrated" after reports emerged that he had allegedly died with Al-Qaeda's former commander in Iraq, Abu Musab al-Zarqawi.

According to the reports, Saleh Qilawi died in the US air strike on Zarqawi's hideout, but security sources could not confirm the information, and only said the victim fell in Iraq.
The Daily Star

See also:

Local families take pride in relatives 'martyred' in Iraq
...

"They thus earn the blessing of jihad by either dying or winning," said Abu Obeida, who recently returned from Iraq.

Abu Obeida said that the militants were "teaching the infidels a few lessons in fighting."

"We are proud of these youths who sacrifice their precious lives for the sake of their nation," Abu Obeida added, holding the pictures of the fallen fighters and one of Al-Qaeda's former commander in Iraq, Abu Musaab al-Zarqawi, recently killed by a US air strike on his hideout in Iraq.
The Daily Star, June 28, 2006

Yet another Abu Obeida, I assume.